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    The greatest risk we face, according to the experts in the Naval Service, is an attack on the undersea cables that link Europe, via us, to North america.
    We need to have the means to monitor these, and the means to do so are similar to that found on a vessel used for mine clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The greatest risk we face, according to the experts in the Naval Service, is an attack on the undersea cables that link Europe, via us, to North america.
    We need to have the means to monitor these, and the means to do so are similar to that found on a vessel used for mine clearance.
    As in sonar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The Atlas Electronix system would be useful port based, as it could pass over a channel/entry before ships enter or leave to deal with a magnetic type mine by giving it a large ship magnetic pulse to detonate it. "More complex problems" would have to be dealt with by conventional methods. Most magnetic mines have ship magnetic signatures and counters installed. If a convoy is leaving port it might ignore the first few ships such as escorts, pilot boats, tugs, then take out the fourth ship blocking the channel for both directions, closing the port. Larger approach waterways like in the GULF are taking sometime to clear with 4 RN minehunters. I would avoid miracle cures costing £13m as it cannot be enough to provide a total answer to all of the MCM problem
    In the main the risks would be in the estuaries and/or entrances to the main ports but also the major shipping lanes off Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    As in sonar?
    ROV, USV, dive support, DP in challenging sea conditions etc.
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    I would agree about undersea cables, even if they do not come on land here a quick look at any chart for the Celtic Sea will show the mass of cables coming from the UK (Europe) and passing through out EEZ. Then we have the interconnectors, which will soon be joined by a new super interconnector to France. But as with most thing under the surface no-one seems to care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    As in sonar?
    Not totally. There are about 230 fibre optic cables systems world wide with 550,00 miles of fibre. They are the pipelines of economic and fiscal movement throughout the world. They suffer from an orphanage type syndrome as they really don't have a Mammy and Daddy until they enter a territorial region at the point of exit or landing. They are prone to cutting, tapping, and eavesdropping. The current European solution is loads of MPA's and ship's that can track submarines so as to build a picture of submarine and surface traffic in the whole of the North Atlantic and adjacent waters. The Swedes and Norwegians do it to the North. The Brits do it minus MPA in the middle, The French do it to our South and we try on surface to the West. More to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    I would agree about undersea cables, even if they do not come on land here a quick look at any chart for the Celtic Sea will show the mass of cables coming from the UK (Europe) and passing through out EEZ. Then we have the interconnectors, which will soon be joined by a new super interconnector to France. But as with most thing under the surface no-one seems to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Not totally. There are about 230 fibre optic cables systems world wide with 550,00 miles of fibre. They are the pipelines of economic and fiscal movement throughout the world. They suffer from an orphanage type syndrome as they really don't have a Mammy and Daddy until they enter a territorial region at the point of exit or landing. They are prone to cutting, tapping, and eavesdropping. The current European solution is loads of MPA's and ship's that can track submarines so as to build a picture of submarine and surface traffic in the whole of the North Atlantic and adjacent waters. The Swedes and Norwegians do it to the North. The Brits do it minus MPA in the middle, The French do it to our South and we try on surface to the West. More to do.
    The most recent Russian sub accident revealed they have serious plans for interfering with such infastructure. A manned sub, designed to latch onto the bottom of one of their normal Delta IV naval subs (thus disguising its exit and entry from those naval ports covered by satellite) and capable of diving, manned to 2500m. It has a crew of about 25 and is fitted with manipulator arms.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutto.../#658fb5a959e9
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