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    RAF Service (Reservists) by Irish Nationals

    Just curious to hear others' views or experiences of this.

    I found out recently that Irish nationals can apply to work with the RAF as reservists (as well as regulars) without having to wait the usual 5 years of residency which non-UK-Irish people must. Not only that, but the person can serve in the RAF whilst still living in Ireland (except when training/on duty, of course) - this really surprised me.

    Anyone here ever know someone who did this? And if so, how did it go for them?

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    never heard of it - but go for it.

    i assume you would be based in RAF Aldergrove?

    remember you will get paid for all time served, and they will pay upto 50 miles travel each way to get there - it won;t cover all of your journey i am sure but it's a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoshea View Post
    Just curious to hear others' views or experiences of this.

    I found out recently that Irish nationals can apply to work with the RAF as reservists (as well as regulars) without having to wait the usual 5 years of residency which non-UK-Irish people must. Not only that, but the person can serve in the RAF whilst still living in Ireland (except when training/on duty, of course) - this really surprised me.

    Anyone here ever know someone who did this? And if so, how did it go for them?


    Not sure about that one dude.

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    I actually phoned the UK Reserves info line yesterday and they told me that an Irish citizen could join up with no delay. (Surprise number 1).

    Then I spoke with the recruitment NCO at Aldergrove today - asked him a bunch of questions - and he confirmed that they've had a few lads from the Republic serving with them (but living in Dublin, etc, reserve or regular) (surprise number 2).

    I've no intention of joining full-time but - compared with the DF here - I'm surprised more lads don't do it. You can even join quite a few units, e.g. Regimental Gunner, up until 36 which would work nicely for guys too old to join the PDF here.

    They also don't have any rule against serving in the DF at the same time - anyone here know if it's forbidden at the Irish end? If not - and if my wife doesn't divorce me at the very suggestion of it - I might give it some thought. Not going to prioritise it over the RDF here though.

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    A few relevant sections of the Defence Acts:

    Section 317 - you can't wear a foreign uniform in the State without the Minister's written permission
    Section 312 - illegal to recruit for a foreign military within the State

    Most relevant is Section 241, no a member of the RDF can't join a foreign military - punishment up to 2 years in prison
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/...41.html#sec241

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    A few relevant sections of the Defence Acts:

    Most relevant is Section 241, no a member of the RDF can't join a foreign military - punishment up to 2 years in prison
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/...41.html#sec241
    i'd like to see that one stand up in the European Court of Human Rights!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    i'd like to see that one stand up in the European Court of Human Rights!
    I suppose they mean at the same time, obviously you can get your RDF discharge and serve where you want after that
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    Exactly, if your discharged your not a member of the DF.

    RGJ, countries wouldn't allow you to be for example a member of the French army and the British Army at the same time!

    If your an Irish citizen you must live in the UK to join the Army Reserve:
    http://www.army.mod.uk/join/How-to-join.

    According to the RAF you have to ring them

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    Dev, i understand that and rightly so, but given we have deviants and low lifes who we cannot send to jail for committing very serious criminal offences due to the ECHR stepping in - i highly doubt they would see a man behind bars for this offence.

    obviously the right thing to do would be to discharge from RDF, but if the RDF don't know a lad is joining the RAF (afterall the RAF don't appear care if you are a member of another country's armed forces) this scenario could happen, and i cannot see any man doing porridge for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    According to the RAF you have to ring them
    That reminds me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    Dev, i understand that and rightly so, but given we have deviants and low lifes who we cannot send to jail for committing very serious criminal offences due to the ECHR stepping in - i highly doubt they would see a man behind bars for this offence.

    obviously the right thing to do would be to discharge from RDF, but if the RDF don't know a lad is joining the RAF (afterall the RAF don't appear care if you are a member of another country's armed forces) this scenario could happen, and i cannot see any man doing porridge for it.
    So a serving Russian soldier could potentially join the British armed forces and they wouldn't mind.

    It probably doesn't say it on the website because they believe that it is a rhetorical question.

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    MOD: Just a reminder - be careful what you post. We are not allowed by law to recruit for foreign military forces. As long as the discussion remains a "general" discussion it is OK but direct recruiting will result in removal or modification of the post and points.

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    I wonder how many will jump ship if the RDF are canned in the next year or two!!!
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    Well as per what I've posted the British Army Reserve won't take you if you live in the Republic.

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    Just to say; apologies if the thread comes off as recruitment-oriented. I just found it intriguing that a, say, Dublin-based guy could - at least at the RAF end of things - live here, do his RDF days/hours, and then travel to Belfast, etc, and serve with them.

    But given those regs I hadn't known about, I guess that's that - I'm prioritising the RDF for the foreseeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    A few relevant sections of the Defence Acts:

    Section 317 - you can't wear a foreign uniform in the State without the Minister's written permission
    Section 312 - illegal to recruit for a foreign military within the State

    Most relevant is Section 241, no a member of the RDF can't join a foreign military - punishment up to 2 years in prison
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/...41.html#sec241
    It's actually very useful that you brought Section 241 to my attention - I'm far too pretty for prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eoshea View Post

    I found out recently that Irish nationals can apply to work with the RAF as reservists (as well as regulars) without having to wait the usual 5 years of residency which non-UK-Irish people must. Not only that, but the person can serve in the RAF whilst still living in Ireland (except when training/on duty, of course) - this really surprised me.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    So a serving Russian soldier could potentially join the British armed forces and they wouldn't mind.

    It probably doesn't say it on the website because they believe that it is a rhetorical question.
    Dev, i was implying Irishmen living in Ireland from the original post and eoshea's later comment stating you can still be a serving member of ONH.

    i cannot see this being the case if put to the test to be honest.
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    If in the Reserves in two countries, what happens when both sets of call-up papers drop on the doormat simultaneously?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    If in the Reserves in two countries, what happens when both sets of call-up papers drop on the doormat simultaneously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    If in the Reserves in two countries, what happens when both sets of call-up papers drop on the doormat simultaneously?
    don't piss in your own pond.

    if you lived in the Republic, you'd go with ONH - the TA in the UK might send you nasty letters when you didn't turn up, but they can't do much to someone who lives in another country. the Irish state however could fcuk you over left right and centre - and then do so again. and once more for giggles...

    works the other way around obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    If in the Reserves in two countries, what happens when both sets of call-up papers drop on the doormat simultaneously?
    Realistically, the RDF are never going to be called up as such under the current legislation. So this will not happen unless the law changes - or unless something very unexpected and serious indeed occurred (some kind of terrorist attack; and even then, only if the PDF were deemed too few in numbers to deal with it).

    To be honest, I love the idea of serving in my own country's Reserve but I'd also like the opportunity of actually doing something other than training as part of it. I hope we become more truly integrated in due course. I'll give things a year or so, see how they go, but if there's no chance of any sort of actual operations by then - even just guard duties, etc - then I might be giving Aldergrove a shout.

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    This is surely a wind up. Or, is this just the most naive person in the englsih speaking world? Not a ****ing chance that this would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickers View Post
    MOD: Just a reminder - be careful what you post. We are not allowed by law to recruit for foreign military forces. As long as the discussion remains a "general" discussion it is OK but direct recruiting will result in removal or modification of the post and points.
    Does FMP's post (#10) count as an attempt to recruit?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
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    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you answer yes ,,,,,,, your told bugger off home till your contracts up, or you produce your discharge papers. Its like Section 7, its a have to ask. "This may sound like a stupid question, but are you or have you ever been found guilty of mass gnome kidnapping for ransom ,,,,,,,,?"
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