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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    It was more the info contained in the table I was interested in

    As at 30/6/16, the NS was critically short of Lts, S/Lts, POs and LSs
    It's a pity that unvarnished truth is always scarce but in any event the vacancies from WO down to L/S must be given an accumulated figure and added to any vacancies in the overall A/B rates. You cannot be down over 70 NCO's and claim NO vacancies in junior seaman of various Branches. If you declare that you are short 46 L/S then you can ONLY find them in your NON NCO strengths subject to training. It is the same maths for commissioned ranks which relies in strengths within Cadet, Ensign, and Sub-Lieutenants, to eventually fill vacancies on promotion. In other words Recruit and Train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    It's a pity that unvarnished truth is always scarce but in any event the vacancies from WO down to L/S must be given an accumulated figure and added to any vacancies in the overall A/B rates. You cannot be down over 70 NCO's and claim NO vacancies in junior seaman of various Branches. If you declare that you are short 46 L/S then you can ONLY find them in your NON NCO strengths subject to training. It is the same maths for commissioned ranks which relies in strengths within Cadet, Ensign, and Sub-Lieutenants, to eventually fill vacancies on promotion. In other words Recruit and Train.
    Absolutely

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    Absolutely
    We are going to have up to three depletion's in Senior Officer ranks imminently. All in Haulbowline. I wish them well in their retirement, and their replacements a bright industrious future taking the Navy forward.

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    Interesting times ahead. The age profile at the upper three levels has dropped by 10-15 years in one go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Interesting times ahead. The age profile at the upper three levels has dropped by 10-15 years in one go.
    Always interesting to see what will happen next and to figure reasoning and expectations of those promoting and being promoted. The only inevitability is that all will eventually enter the uncertainty of shifting PENSION zones. The current long term pensioner scene is crushing with costs of all non-food services increasing, against a diminished pension ( FEMPI) overlaid with additional taxes, and no basic pension increase in the last 10 years.
    The PDF pension generally has to support, eventually, two elderly people, who had their medical cards removed at an increased cost of 1728 Euro, plus on going excesses payable on Hospital charges. Times seem to be more challenging for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    It's a pity that unvarnished truth is always scarce but in any event the vacancies from WO down to L/S must be given an accumulated figure and added to any vacancies in the overall A/B rates. You cannot be down over 70 NCO's and claim NO vacancies in junior seaman of various Branches. If you declare that you are short 46 L/S then you can ONLY find them in your NON NCO strengths subject to training. It is the same maths for commissioned ranks which relies in strengths within Cadet, Ensign, and Sub-Lieutenants, to eventually fill vacancies on promotion. In other words Recruit and Train.
    Not forgetting of course there are direct entry S/Lt’s and LSs

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    Actually, back on topic about rank - did the SCPO rank insignia change sometime back in about 2012?

    I remember just before I left the NS overhearing a discussion new rank insignia for a senior enlisted rank. Have the stripes been replaced with a Warrant Officer style insignia or are they both in use?

    The rank table available on military.ie hasn't been updated anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Actually, back on topic about rank - did the SCPO rank insignia change sometime back in about 2012?

    I remember just before I left the NS overhearing a discussion new rank insignia for a senior enlisted rank. Have the stripes been replaced with a Warrant Officer style insignia or are they both in use?

    The rank table available on military.ie hasn't been updated anyway!
    Yes they have changed as you described but I do not know when

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Yes they have changed as you described but I do not know when
    In the last few years I've noticed the emergence of what I would call WO1 and WO2 in the NS. The former has two thin sleeve rings with gold wired FF badge and the latter has one sleeve ring with FF badge.

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    I think it started in around 2015 but I am open to correction

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    It was changed getting rid of he ringed chevrons with the capbadge to either a single or double bar at the forearm but without the divisional flash using the cap bage instead. The eight button jacket has been retained.
    Time for another break I think......

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    I suppose it just brought naval ranks in line with the equivalent Air Corps and Army BSM and BQMS uniforms. While not technically equal to a BQMS, the SCPO as an OR-8, should always have been wearing a rank marking similar to a WO.
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    Can anyone tell me what insignia the Naval Lt Cdr is wearing? Looks wrong for both dolphins and parachutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Can anyone tell me what insignia the Naval Lt Cdr is wearing? Looks wrong for both dolphins and parachutes.
    Explosive Ordnance Disposal Badge.

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    Gold for Officers and silver for NCO's and Privates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    We are going to have up to three depletion's in Senior Officer ranks imminently. All in Haulbowline. I wish them well in their retirement, and their replacements a bright industrious future taking the Navy forward.
    I have heard that VADM Mark Mellet has been nominated by the Government for the vacant post of Chairman of the European Military Council ( EUMC ) in Brussels or wherever that body is based. It means , if he is appointed by the EU , that he will vacate his current post. Will be interesting to see the overall effect on Naval prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Will be interesting to see the overall effect on Naval prospects.
    Cannot be any worse than they currently are!

    The man has done NOTHING for the Defence Forces since he was appointed.

    If he has been nominated, he won't get it unfortunately.

    It has been a long time since we had a Chief of such low quality.

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    Was this not rumoured the last time it was vacant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Was this not rumoured the last time it was vacant?
    Is this going to be again vacant? General Claudio Graziano was only appointed last November and has over 2 years to run on his appointment. The Director General of EU Military Staff is coming vacant and is a 3 Star slot and is essentially the senior admin role. I would say that is a more likely position for VADM Mallet. A 3 Star is eligible for the Chairmans role but usually a 4 star is selected from a large full spectrum military.

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    https://www.thephoenix.ie/article/co...d-eu-military/

    Excuse the paywall but this is the only article I could find. Yes that position was open in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Cannot be any worse than they currently are!

    The man has done NOTHING for the Defence Forces since he was appointed.

    If he has been nominated, he won't get it unfortunately.

    It has been a long time since we had a Chief of such low quality.
    Could it be a case that a tradesman can only work with the tools he has, and the CoS has some of the worst tools in a long time to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Could it be a case that a tradesman can only work with the tools he has, and the CoS has some of the worst tools in a long time to work with.
    That leaves you open to "a bad tradesman blames his tools".

    There is an element of truth in both statements. VADM Mellet has been underwhelming, there was certainly an expectation that he would be another Dermot Early. That being said I don't think that even Dermot Early would have been able to influence the current system, where the politicians have wiped their hands of defence and handed control over to the Sec Gen of DOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    That leaves you open to "a bad tradesman blames his tools".

    There is an element of truth in both statements. VADM Mellet has been underwhelming, there was certainly an expectation that he would be another Dermot Early. That being said I don't think that even Dermot Early would have been able to influence the current system, where the politicians have wiped their hands of defence and handed control over to the Sec Gen of DOD.
    When he took over, he was very keen to be seen to be "leaning in" (his words) to the DOD, thinking that by being overly flexible and cooperative that he would win over DOD. The problem was that he made us lean in so far that we ended up bending over and being shafted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    When he took over, he was very keen to be seen to be "leaning in" (his words) to the DOD, thinking that by being overly flexible and cooperative that he would win over DOD. The problem was that he made us lean in so far that we ended up bending over and being shafted
    I think you are spot on in your appraisal of his management style, but the problem being those who were too eager to please and allowed such changes to happen without running the scenarios and realising the potential outcomes.

    there was certainly an expectation that he would be another Dermot Early
    Dermot Early entered the game on his way to the top when the country was awash with money so in effect he was handed the DF when everything was good, but within months both that and his health failed, so we'll never actually know how it would have played out. he was willing to sacrifice the reserve in order to keep a 3 brigade structure. Given the numbers now, the retention of that structure only holds appointments open rather than having the man power available to operate three brigades.

    So the current CoS is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by what is certain, what is current is not working.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Sounds like the Government are just trying to get rid of him.
    The question is who would replace him?
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