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    Interesting that they want to widen out the supply chains, would have though the main driver would be to limit the extra costs and training paths that the 31's would need just to save overheads for the RN. I mean the Combat System is going to be a Thales system rather than the fleet wide BAE one as well from what I've read, and they aren't pulling through the Artisan Radar Sets either?

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    https://www.janes.com/article/92615/...gate-programme

    Contract signed for an average production cost of GBP250 million per Arrowhead 140.

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    Frigate Factory Being Built on the Clyde. It appears tey think the Irish NS will want one, if only we had the crew...

    https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/bri...igate-factory/
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Frigate Factory Being Built on the Clyde. It appears tey think the Irish NS will want one, if only we had the crew...

    https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/bri...igate-factory/
    To be honest, there's not really anything to that other than the Babcock team coming over to Dublin to the Embassy, but really I don't see how the Type 31 would be what the MPV/EPV would be needed, and the price tag is another issue.

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    So the US Navy has also now decided on its next frigate, a version of the Italian FREMM

    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...e-competition/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    To be honest, there's not really anything to that other than the Babcock team coming over to Dublin to the Embassy, but really I don't see how the Type 31 would be what the MPV/EPV would be needed, and the price tag is another issue.

    The major cost of the T31 will prob be sensor suite and weapons fit.

    It would easily fit the budget of €200m without the RN requirement of sensors and weapons, however it doesn't really fit the RFI specs issued a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    The major cost of the T31 will prob be sensor suite and weapons fit.

    It would easily fit the budget of €200m without the RN requirement of sensors and weapons, however it doesn't really fit the RFI specs issued a few years back.
    Would it be too much to believe that Babcock could produce/offer a FSS (Absalon) version of the T31, and was the original EPV spec not very similar to the Absalon? Has there been any update on those specs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    So the US Navy has also now decided on its next frigate, a version of the Italian FREMM

    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...e-competition/
    Demonstrating the total failure of the Littoral concept, and zero confidence in US designs. The USN for too long were dictated to by the US shipbuilding industry, providing them with lots of ships with a 30 year old design, delivered late. Too big to operate in confined waters, i.e the type of waters where they would be needed most. The Average USN Destroyer, its smallest major warship, is almost the same size as HMS Belfast, which was a light cruiser.
    This ship comes in just over 150m, just 4m shorter than the Burke Class destroyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Demonstrating the total failure of the Littoral concept, and zero confidence in US designs. The USN for too long were dictated to by the US shipbuilding industry, providing them with lots of ships with a 30 year old design, delivered late. Too big to operate in confined waters, i.e the type of waters where they would be needed most. The Average USN Destroyer, its smallest major warship, is almost the same size as HMS Belfast, which was a light cruiser.
    This ship comes in just over 150m, just 4m shorter than the Burke Class destroyer.
    It is a common size today, around the 8000 tons mark, the Burkes are a bit heavier, the Type 26 are around the same size, the Australian variant of the Type 26 will push 9000 tons. It is the problem when you want the ship to do everything, AAW, ASW, ASuW………. While steel is cheap, crews are not and a larger ship requires a larger crew, even if only for damage control. In fact the classification as frigate or destroyer is interchangeable, for one man it is a frigate, for another a destroyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    It is a common size today, around the 8000 tons mark, the Burkes are a bit heavier, the Type 26 are around the same size, the Australian variant of the Type 26 will push 9000 tons. It is the problem when you want the ship to do everything, AAW, ASW, ASuW………. While steel is cheap, crews are not and a larger ship requires a larger crew, even if only for damage control. In fact the classification as frigate or destroyer is interchangeable, for one man it is a frigate, for another a destroyer.
    These new FREMM based Frigate types will be built in US Yards and no doubt will be of US fit-out from stem to stern. In general the US persists with their ship types and can continue with building programs of a Class over some decades. No matter what we think of the various types of Littoral Combat ships, which started around 2008, they are to this day still building in quantity twelve years later with more to come. Various foreign design offices have been involved in these Littoral ships as well but all were and will be built in the USA. The crews on the newer ships tend to be sparser than their predecessors some 15 core crew augmentable in role to 75. There are 8 Freedom class LCS building and 7 Independance Class LCS at AUSTAL USA yard. The Burkes started building in 1991 and are still building at Ingals, and Bath Iron works almost 20 years later. It you learn from the early builds eventually you get it almost as you wanted it. However one caveat don't try to make a steady logistics type ship from a frigate hull---too fine and not good at slower speeds.

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