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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    We were very proud of holding the high moral ground being the first in the world to ban smoking in pubs and getting rid of plastic bags.
    Wouldn't we be a shining light in the world to be the first to ban our armed forces.

    Don't laugh the nancy boys are in charge.
    We are beaten by Costa Rica , since 1948, they have security elements but no standing Army. We are overcome by ruritanian decision makers whose oversight agencies close creches, Homes, cut back medical staff and infrastructure, allow insurance companies and banks run riot, fine hospitals with no money, take pensions off state pensioners, and spend 42m on e-voting machines, and 1.6mm on a printer. They are also the worst project managers in this world at overruns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    We are beaten by Costa Rica , since 1948, they have security elements but no standing Army. We are overcome by ruritanian decision makers whose oversight agencies close creches, Homes, cut back medical staff and infrastructure, allow insurance companies and banks run riot, fine hospitals with no money, take pensions off state pensioners, and spend 42m on e-voting machines, and 1.6mm on a printer. They are also the worst project managers in this world at overruns.

    Berlin's Airport project would like to weigh in on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    We are beaten by Costa Rica , since 1948, they have security elements but no standing Army. We are overcome by ruritanian decision makers whose oversight agencies close creches, Homes, cut back medical staff and infrastructure, allow insurance companies and banks run riot, fine hospitals with no money, take pensions off state pensioners, and spend 42m on e-voting machines, and 1.6mm on a printer. They are also the worst project managers in this world at overruns.
    I think you are getting people mixed up - the Project Managers are not the decision makers. The Decision makers make the decisions and the project managers are required to manage projects that they know are going to go pear shaped but have little input into changing.

    Politicians are quick to blame civil servants for a lot of their own failings despite the fact that a civil servant can't do anything without ministerial oversight and approval of everything from budget to staffing levels to procedures. The civil servants also get it because they are usually the bearers of the bad news. In a lot of cases, the civil servant is trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear; they get the blame because the politicians promised the silk purse and needs someone to blame when the silk purse does not appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    I think you are getting people mixed up - the Project Managers are not the decision makers. The Decision makers make the decisions and the project managers are required to manage projects that they know are going to go pear shaped but have little input into changing.

    Politicians are quick to blame civil servants for a lot of their own failings despite the fact that a civil servant can't do anything without ministerial oversight and approval of everything from budget to staffing levels to procedures. The civil servants also get it because they are usually the bearers of the bad news. In a lot of cases, the civil servant is trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear; they get the blame because the politicians promised the silk purse and needs someone to blame when the silk purse does not appear.
    The game gets lost when the project committee, usually chaired by the APO or in some cases a PO, and their staffs, become after a time, read into the project underway and slip in their own view of what Brand of item should be included to make up the project item whether that be a ship or building. The advisers are feeding them notions on how to save money-plastic pipes instead of metal---galvanised pipes instead of copper. They have no problem with telling you the level of armament that can be provided for the money OR it is to come from a current Defence budget on a trade off eg. a gun for you and no trucks for the Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The game gets lost when the project committee, usually chaired by the APO or in some cases a PO, and their staffs, become after a time, read into the project underway and slip in their own view of what Brand of item should be included to make up the project item whether that be a ship or building. The advisers are feeding them notions on how to save money-plastic pipes instead of metal---galvanised pipes instead of copper. They have no problem with telling you the level of armament that can be provided for the money OR it is to come from a current Defence budget on a trade off eg. a gun for you and no trucks for the Army.
    APOs and POs don't have advisors & they are working within the budget....set by the Minister or Minister for Finance/PER. As I said, they have been handed a projects that requires X money but they only have Y. And their options are do it for Y money or don't do it all. At the end of the day, it is the Politicians at the top who make all the decisions.
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    Civil servants advise on and implement Government policy. They are supposed to be the SMEs

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