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The SLAM programme has had the odd failing, but it's been an overwhelming success. The 'rip it down and start again' ideology has been worth its weight in gold in allowing the project to be transformational rather than tinkering around the edges.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe future is always Budget dependent and depends on how it is controlled and spent. Who should, once allocated, decide where money must be spent to maintain a fit for purpose Defence Forces. The Budget is decided in October and a global figure is allocated, however if elements understrength cause underspend of allocations then that money is returned to the exchequer, thereby missing an opportunity to use such funds to improve Defence structure and capability. It creates a diminishing and pauperising factor throughout the PDF and produces a threadbare Force. In my opinion Budget policy is killing off the PDF.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostAs an addendum to comments made by me, there is an interesting piece by a retired member in the RACO Newsletter which states " Due to reviews, reorganisation and cut-backs the effectiveness of the PDF is reduced. The Defence forces, unlike the HSE or the Gardai , are NOT being tested on their primary fuction on a daily basis. As a result their ineffectiveness will remain hidden and unnoticed until , Call to arms. Fortunately in my opinion , the Navy, may be different in that they are fully operational in their duties and theatre all the time. Ships will always be ships, they just need manpower of the required trades and equipment fit-for-purpose to deal with threats.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by Flamingo View PostHas there ever been precedent for compulsory transferring or posting of soldiers or airmen to the Navy, either temporary to cover any jobs they are qualified for, or total change and training them up to be sailors?
as for enlited rank and file, No point in transferring someone who doesn't want to be there in the first place, they could actually lose more than gain anything if this was the case.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostAs an addendum to comments made by me, there is an interesting piece by a retired member in the RACO Newsletter which states " Due to reviews, reorganisation and cut-backs the effectiveness of the PDF is reduced. The Defence forces, unlike the HSE or the Gardai , are NOT being tested on their primary fuction on a daily basis. As a result their ineffectiveness will remain hidden and unnoticed until , Call to arms. Fortunately in my opinion , the Navy, may be different in that they are fully operational in their duties and theatre all the time. Ships will always be ships, they just need manpower of the required trades and equipment fit-for-purpose to deal with threats.
Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostNot compulsory to the Naval Service per se. but Soldiers have held posts in Haulbowline in the past such as armourers, and other trades, transport officers or signals officers.
as for enlited rank and file, No point in transferring someone who doesn't want to be there in the first place, they could actually lose more than gain anything if this was the case.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostNot compulsory to the Naval Service per se. but Soldiers have held posts in Haulbowline in the past such as armourers, and other trades, transport officers or signals officers.
as for enlited rank and file, No point in transferring someone who doesn't want to be there in the first place, they could actually lose more than gain anything if this was the case.
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You can train anybody if they are willing and confident.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostIndeed you can, assuming they want to be there in the first place.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThere needs to be a service driven policy on recruitment and retention based on a longer term strategy than at present. Micro management of the PDF by the Civil Service must stop and connection between Minister and Military must have unfiltered avenues. Stopping and starting recruitment to cover exigencies is counter-productive and wasteful of resources. It also overloads structures during training of larger numbers, especially accommodation and provision of instructors. Because of decisive effects those making Key decisions MUST be of a Military background.
So what do you do instead of stop/start recruitment (which means for arguments sake 3
Recruit Classes annually in the NS)?
Have a recruit section minus in training at all times?
The normal sized classes are use resources more efficiently.
The problem is the much larger classes (which mainly is cadets) and the much higher number of classes (mainly recruits). Why are they needed? Poor retention!
Turnover is required absolutely - otherwise you have 59 year old privates/ratings, no promotions etc.
We need a better balance between recruitment and retention. All the attention has been going on recruitment.... which we do need.... but if we can’t retain those recruits it is a losing battle.
You quite rightly point out that significant resources are being tied up in Cadet and recruit training n
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There shouldn't necessarily need to be additional but smaller recruit classes every year but there could be a continual open door for potential recruits with fitness testing and medicals being scheduled far more regularly. How many potential soldiers have been lost because they went onto military.ie to see that recruitment was closed and to monitor social media for the next campaign. They probably took another job straight away. If they know they will be joining a class guaranteed in 2-3 months, they'll hold on.
Cadetships are a different kettle of fish. There should be an awareness of the process and the fact there is only one class per year by the applicant. I'd expect a higher level of research into the role. The website was far better at giving a breakdown, structure and length of training before the redesign.
No doubt whatever consultants helped with the design pushed for placing as little information online which can be counter-productive.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostIt’s less predictable I suppose, you have been able to apply at anytime as a recruit for at least a few months now.
The current generation, they want to be able to start within weeks, if they don’t they have generally moved on.
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