Many have. A previous 2/ic naval service was a DE.
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Originally posted by Auldsod View PostCertainly looks like that's what they want to happen. Looks like the programme is directed towards filling temporary gaps and not bring in career officers.
Possibly assumes that the NS would eventually meet the shortfall with officers who have come up through the training pipeline the 'right way' - through a cadet class.
I'd imagine there still is service skepticism of officers who haven't come up through the rigour of a cadet class.
@ancientmariner's list details this viewpoint succinctly.
Has a DE officer ever commanded an NS ship?
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The problem with DE's is attitudes within the Service and giving them the tools to do the job seamlessly as I outlined in an earlier post
It shouldn't stop direct entries as the scondary tasks can be learned on the job once the primary qualifications have been 'navalized' Have to say I enjoyed working with DE officers as they often had a very refreshing attitude towards command while being absolutely professional in their approach.
As for officers re enlisting, friend of mine went back into the air corps in his previous rank still young enough to be very effective , but I wonder in terms of the Naval Service how many would re enlist given how limited command opportunities actually are, wouldn't really fancy being a 50 some Lt. watch keeper.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostWhile the secondary appointments are complimentary to the job, they are in fact secondary roles that many could actually be outsourced to senior NCOs, take a PO gunner for example , he would have a greater competency in the weapons aboard ship than the gunnery officer, things like account holding could be run by a PO writer .
It shouldn't stop direct entries as the scondary tasks can be learned on the job once the primary qualifications have been 'navalized' Have to say I enjoyed working with DE officers as they often had a very refreshing attitude towards command while being absolutely professional in their approach.
As for officers re enlisting, friend of mine went back into the air corps in his previous rank still young enough to be very effective , but I wonder in terms of the Naval Service how many would re enlist given how limited command opportunities actually are, wouldn't really fancy being a 50 some Lt. watch keeper.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostWhile the secondary appointments are complimentary to the job, they are in fact secondary roles that many could actually be outsourced to senior NCOs, take a PO gunner for example , he would have a greater competency in the weapons aboard ship than the gunnery officer, things like account holding could be run by a PO writer .
It shouldn't stop direct entries as the scondary tasks can be learned on the job once the primary qualifications have been 'navalized' Have to say I enjoyed working with DE officers as they often had a very refreshing attitude towards command while being absolutely professional in their approach.
As for officers re enlisting, friend of mine went back into the air corps in his previous rank still young enough to be very effective , but I wonder in terms of the Naval Service how many would re enlist given how limited command opportunities actually are, wouldn't really fancy being a 50 some Lt. watch keeper.
The SPO operates the majority of accounts onboard ship now.
PO/Mech and C/ERA the same for the engineering account.
The holder does very little to be honest, the operator is the SME when it comes to accounts.
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Originally posted by batterysgt View PostA/TEL, thanks for insight but do you know why the holder does very little, could it not be handed over in full to the operator.
It is a control factor. Some elements of transactions for some inventory cannot be completed without the account holder approval.
Some accounts are held by NCOs but they get an allowance for the extra responsibility.
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Originally posted by A/TEL View PostWriters have gone the way of the dinosaurs. There is one Writer left in the entire Navy now, a CPO.
The SPO operates the majority of accounts onboard ship now.
PO/Mech and C/ERA the same for the engineering account.
The holder does very little to be honest, the operator is the SME when it comes to accounts.
At one point there were 170 serving officers from a establishment of 1000 persons all ranks , averaging one in seven to be an officer, but when you look back at the amount of serving officer appointments pership at the time , easy to see why
At one point in 1988 Eithne had 13 officers out of a crew of 72 persons... making in almost 1 in 5 was an officer..but you could never find them when it came to de ammunitioning or rationingCovid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostSo is admin now done at a divisional level?... if so the requirement for the amount of officers could be reduced ?
At one point there were 170 serving officers from a establishment of 1000 persons all ranks , averaging one in seven to be an officer, but when you look back at the amount of serving officer appointments pership at the time , easy to see why
At one point in 1988 Eithne had 13 officers out of a crew of 72 persons... making in almost 1 in 5 was an officer..but you could never find them when it came to de ammunitioning or rationing
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When I joined her in 1988
She had OC, XO, Guns , Nav, Coms, MEO, EO,Junior Engineer and Supplies, that was 9!
Within 6 months she had another two S/Lts as understudies to Nav and Gun, 11.....plus an under study EO and Understudy engineer...13.... and when the A/C turned up that as you said added at least 4 more.
Always troubled me when a perfectly good ships captain was made XO after he had skippered another ship as opposed to a lead into his own command.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by batterysgt View PostDid all of that benefit the operation the ship was on or just play up to the captainFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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