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  • #16
    To put all it's aircraft in the air the AC needs less then 50 bodies.

    To put 8 ships at sea requires 8 times that number.

    Yet there is not that much difference in their establishments. How it can require 850 people to run 23 relatively small aircraft (with civvies added on as well) is surely a problem. Dropping the AC establishment and increase the NS establishment pro rata would surely be sensible?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tempest View Post
      To put all it's aircraft in the air the AC needs less then 50 bodies.

      To put 8 ships at sea requires 8 times that number.

      Yet there is not that much difference in their establishments. How it can require 850 people to run 23 relatively small aircraft (with civvies added on as well) is surely a problem. Dropping the AC establishment and increase the NS establishment pro rata would surely be sensible?
      Just over actually, but it may take 3 times that number to maintain them (possibly increase to allow for 24/7 cover), there are limitations on pilots and they can't fly an aircraft 24/7 so you need to increase that. Add in admin of units, stores, air base, ATC, ground handling, catering, fire, GoH, leave etc and the numbers quickly add up.

      Is there not enough balance of ops -V- non-ops ? Probably
      Should ops be the priority? Definitely
      Room to manoeuvre? Probably

      But possibly not 200 jobs.

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      • #18
        If they expand the navy I guarantee they'll keep the Df Manning ceiling and just bin an infantry coy or 2.
        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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        • #19
          This might be totally naïve, but would there be any prospect of the temporary secondment of 'fusiliers' PDF/RDF from other branches to do some of the heavy lifting and ease the most acute effects. Army/AC Captains to receive the honorofic 'Major' while on base/aboard etc.
          Yeah..and we'll get vets to work in hospitals to clear back logs!
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            Navy needs qualified Navigators, marine engineers, and electronic/electrical engineers. Glasses don't disbar seagoing but colour blindness limits employment to the Q side only. Most army officers have never been at sea. The concept is kind but naive.
            Let the secondees do base duties etc and let the sailors do the sailing.

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            • #21
              I believe all the catering in UK military bases is done by civie companies .
              Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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              • #22
                Sailor's Career

                Originally posted by danno View Post
                Let the secondees do base duties etc and let the sailors do the sailing.
                The nature of a seagoing career is a cycle of shipboard assignments followed by a period ashore, The seagoing replacements section is a vital part of keeping ships manned, and provides training staffs, unscheduled reliefs at sea, courses, overseas DF appointments. It is untenable to have someone at sea forever. Numbers can be met by, having for a period of two years, with a review, a recruiting open door policy to get 4/6 fully trained classes of sea personnel in that period. You keep numbers up by continually topping up NFA's from a panel to achieve a final output of 200 sea persons.
                The male/female ratio policy needs to be applied sensibly to ensure ability of ships to function socially, domestically, with fair sea/shore ratios for all.

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                • #23
                  If we had waited a few days would we have saved a few million?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    If we had waited a few days would we have saved a few million?
                    None of us will save a penny (or cent), we'll all pay through the nose for this folly.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Laners View Post
                      I believe all the catering in UK military bases is done by civie companies .
                      True and a lot of the staff running them chefs etc are ex BA

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                      • #26
                        So when the A/Cook has done his 2 years at sea who replaces him? Another A/Cook who has been doing admin/duties for 2 years?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Laners View Post
                          I believe all the catering in UK military bases is done by civie companies .
                          Sodexho
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            So when the A/Cook has done his 2 years at sea who replaces him? Another A/Cook who has been doing admin/duties for 2 years?
                            And who do you think has been preparing meals in the base all along?
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              And who do you think has been preparing meals in the base all along?
                              That's my point.

                              If you privatise the cooks in the dining hall, there is no where for the cooks to go when on shore rotation.

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                              • #30
                                I was chatting to a Chief Chips on exercise recently (WO2 Chef).

                                He told me that the British Army only recruited 24 Chefs last year...

                                The future is apparently, contractors in MOB's...with Army Chefs and Army Reserve Chefs from this lot further forward...

                                'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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