Defending the Irish airspace

[DeV]

well, then, the pilots would get real time ejection experience, the fire crews would get practise on putting out aircraft fires and landowners would get new ornaments,albeit smoking a bit from a deep hole. (i'm joking, okay??!!"

True VFM (tongue in cheek)

I last heard it in 1994, and to say my eardrums were offended is an understatement. You can feel the damage being done as it literally tears apart the air around it.
No clip will do justice to how horrible it sounds. That crackle noise is when you try to stick your fist into your ear to block it out.

How does it compare to the dear power noise of a Viggen?

[Soarhead2]

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[na grohmiti]

True VFM (tongue in cheek)



How does it compare to the dear power noise of a Viggen?

A Viggen, and even a Draken, are ballet shoes by comparison. Harrier in Hover is the only thing close.

[EUFighter]

True VFM (tongue in cheek)



How does it compare to the dear power noise of a Viggen?

When it comes to full military power setting (afterburner) most fighters have similar noise levels at the engine nozzle. This is because the main generator of the noise is the temperature of the exhaust gases when running afterburners. But as the majority of us do not stand beside the afterburner roasting marshmallows it is the noise at a set distance that we can compare.
Normally the bigger the engine the loader it seems to us as it is putting out more energy, thus if you are standing the same distance off to the side it may seem that the Viggen is louder. This impression will increase the further you get away from the aircraft.

However if the MiG21 and Viggen are not using A/B then the MiG21 wins the noise challenge, it has an older technology turbojet (runs hotter) than the turbofan in the Viggen.

Put it this way there is a reason why we seen the Viggen at the Shannon Airshow and not flying out of the Don!
It would be heard all over south Dublin and much of Kildare.

[DeV]

When it comes to full military power setting (afterburner) most fighters have similar noise levels at the engine nozzle. This is because the main generator of the noise is the temperature of the exhaust gases when running afterburners. But as the majority of us do not stand beside the afterburner roasting marshmallows it is the noise at a set distance that we can compare.
Normally the bigger the engine the loader it seems to us as it is putting out more energy, thus if you are standing the same distance off to the side it may seem that the Viggen is louder. This impression will increase the further you get away from the aircraft.

However if the MiG21 and Viggen are not using A/B then the MiG21 wins the noise challenge, it has an older technology turbojet (runs hotter) than the turbofan in the Viggen.

Put it this way there is a reason why we seen the Viggen at the Shannon Airshow and not flying out of the Don!
It would be heard all over south Dublin and much of Kildare.

A young dev saw Viggen first in Baldonnel

And since at least once at the Bray Airshow

[Flamingo]

I was once on the runway party at RAF Manston airshow when the late lamented Vulcan did a 50ft pass along the runway and then went vertical directly overhead. That was a tad noisy...

[GoneToTheCanner]

Draken was worse! two of them in the Don for an airshow and we asked them to throw a few shapes on the Monday morning, as they departed. So they did, waking up everyone in Tallaght (ah, wassda story,Bud) and the phones lit up with noise complaints. Who knew so many people in Tallaght had telephones?!

[GoneToTheCanner]

The Viggen engine was basically a Pratt and Whitney JT-8 with an afterburner and a reverse thruster added on,quite the innovation for it's time,but not really a turbofan compared to the Pegasus in the Harrier,which did have a very large fan at the front (which stuck out like a sore thumb on radar,but that's another story) so the Harrier front nozzles fed cold air from the fan and hot air from the turbine,rear nozzles and mixed the two to give a very low heat signature,added to their location under the wings and the Harrier was very hard to lock onto with a Sidewinder. The Draken engine was an Avon with an afterburner and that'd shift a corpse with it's noise. For pure chest shaking noise, a Trident III,departing Cork, when I was a sprog, three smokin' Speys did the job and Ryanair's RomBac-111s were not far behind with their allegedly noise-reduced Speys. A 111 taking off with water-injection on would blacken the skies like an F-4 or a Mig-29.

[EUFighter]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/irel...-jet-fighters/

Check out the F16 in irish colours, which they accept is bad photoshopping.
Otherwise a good article.

Currently sitting in the south western USA desert are:
210x F16A
37x F16B
123x F16C
13x F16D

The F16C are being quickly turned in small pieces of aircraft scattered over the various target ranges as they are being converted fast to OF16's.
But it would still be possible to get enough for a squadron and a few extras for spares. The cost would mainly be an upgrades and repairs needed and far less than what would be needed for new build.

An initial set-up of 12x F16C & 4x F16D + 4 spare F16C, later going to 14x F16C & 2X F16D with the rest being used for spares.

[na grohmiti]

Currently sitting in the south western USA desert are:
210x F16A
37x F16B
123x F16C
13x F16D

The F16C are being quickly turned in small pieces of aircraft scattered over the various target ranges as they are being converted fast to OF16's.
But it would still be possible to get enough for a squadron and a few extras for spares. The cost would mainly be an upgrades and repairs needed and far less than what would be needed for new build.

An initial set-up of 12x F16C & 4x F16D + 4 spare F16C, later going to 14x F16C & 2X F16D with the rest being used for spares.

Politics though. Any AMARC purchase of combat aircraft requires the approval of the US government, and who knows what that would cost.

[EUFighter]

Politics though. Any AMARC purchase of combat aircraft requires the approval of the US government, and who knows what that would cost.

Where are our PC12's at the moment? They need US government clearance (ITAR) to get them back to this side of the pond.
If the Donald does somehow win in November then we will tell him we need the jets to protect Doonbeg Golf course from a credible Antifa air attack!

[Sparky42]

Where are our PC12's at the moment? They need US government clearance (ITAR) to get them back to this side of the pond.
If the Donald does somehow win in November then we will tell him we need the jets to protect Doonbeg Golf course from a credible Antifa air attack!

A cunning plan! And if he doesn't win, Biden wouldn't have an issue with us either.

[na grohmiti]

Where are our PC12's at the moment? They need US government clearance (ITAR) to get them back to this side of the pond.
If the Donald does somehow win in November then we will tell him we need the jets to protect Doonbeg Golf course from a credible Antifa air attack!

We didn't buy the PC12 from the US or AMARC.
And it is not the administration you are dealing with as much as the US military industrial complex, who will try to convince you that instead of taking second hand options, they can do a great deal on some new, untested versions they are trying to seek a launch customer on. (Did anyone end up buying the UH1Y or AH1Z outside the USA?)

[EUFighter]

We didn't buy the PC12 from the US or AMARC.
And it is not the administration you are dealing with as much as the US military industrial complex, who will try to convince you that instead of taking second hand options, they can do a great deal on some new, untested versions they are trying to seek a launch customer on. (Did anyone end up buying the UH1Y or AH1Z outside the USA?)

AH1Z have been sold to: Pakistan, Bahrain, and the Czech Republic

[EUFighter]

We didn't buy the PC12 from the US or AMARC.

No, but they are being completed in the USA and as military equipment will fall under the control of the ITAR regulation. Thus US government approval will be need for re-export.