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Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View Post
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Didn't realise the Ruskies had approached that close with their transponders off. Assumed they were out in the Shanwick control area.
Forbes 13/07/20: Ireland’s Air Force Badly Needs Fighter Jets
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Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View Post
Didn't realise the Ruskies had approached that close with their transponders off. Assumed they were out in the Shanwick control area.
Forbes 13/07/20: Ireland’s Air Force Badly Needs Fighter Jets
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Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View PostDelighted to hear that!
Estimate Baldonnel to NW corner of Irish EEZ at 540 km.
Believe the minimum politically saleable capability would be to intercept at this point and escort to UK/FR/IS controlled airspace with return to Baldonnel.
More would be better. (Formerly Irish controlled portion of Shanwick airspace.)
Assume drop tanks would be required.
Correction: Baldonnel to NW corner of Irish EEZ at 2,150 km.
Probably drop tanks and a refuel
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThere was one trailing a wire in the Porcupine not long agoOriginally posted by BBC News 15/09/20
Sounds like a submarine comms exercise
The activities of SSBNs, SSGNs, and SSNs on our continental shelf are almost entirely unmonitored, at least by ourselves. Particularly irksome is the practice of sitting on the bottom for extended periods of time in order to gain situational awareness advantage. It's not just that, crudely put - the water may not be ours, but the ocean floor is.
It's an environmental concern; that through accident, miscalculation, or recklessness we end up with a major environmental incident on our hands. An incident that we are currently without means to contain, mitigate, or dissuade. To this end; I believe a, CBRN capable, high availability Rescue & Emergency Towing capability is required.
Dissuasion means getting back into the business of ASW. Making life less comfortable for everyone sitting on the Porcupine Bank, and adjacent areas. Even a minimal modular capability, rotated between the P50s and P60s, would be a powerful statement of intent. It's about encouraging the thermonuclear armed squatters to get off our lawn.
Next time a Bear comes down the Atlantic coast we shouldn't concern ourselves about sending up fighters. We should use a Casa MPA to intercept it, dropping active sonar buoys all the way along it's track!
Would be like turning on the lights in a henhouse.
I'm all for developing an effective air policing capability, and more, should the instability in great power relations continue. But realistically we have a decade of infrastructure and support development to do, after the defence commission report, before we can make a final commitment. In the meantime we have other priorities that can, and need, to start to be addressed.
Originally posted by DeV View Post...you have to intercept them and then you have to escort them (which in the case of the Russians, would be the length of the Shannon FIR)
Probably drop tanks and a refuel
SLD.com 24/05/18: Norwegian Quick Reaction Aircraft, Bodø Airbase and Future Basing Challenges
The Aviationist 07/03/20: Norwegian F-35As on QRA At Orland Air Station Carry Out Type’s First Intercept Of Russian Aircraft Off Norway
Arctic Today 14/9/20: More NATO jets are being scrambled from Norway
Wikipedia 2018: Royal Norwegian Air Force Stations
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Look at this. Neutral Sweden escorting US MC130J, F15 and V22 which were taking part in a NATO exercise in the baltic. The flyover was a treat to the people of (still Neutral) Gotland.
????????????????Swedish and U.S. formations flew over Gotland Island, Sweden, today. The Swedish JAS-39s escorted the U.S. CV22-Bs, MC-130Js to join U.S. F-15Es in an exercise over the Baltic Sea region. pic.twitter.com/UU6NoLEEoZ
— US Spec Ops Europe (@US_SOCEUR) November 13, 2020For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by The Usual Suspect View PostAssuming, for a moment, we were to obtain 12 to 18 airframes similar to the ex Portuguese, now Romanian, F-16s; what upgrades would be necessary to reliably carry out oceanic policing intercepts of non-transponding or suspicious aircraft, without having to rely on aerial refuelling?
In a fairly clean AD configuration of two AIM-9 and AIM-120 loadout with 370 gal centerline the Viper will have no trouble getting out to the edge of the 200nm EEZ limit and performing a 2 hour loiter / CAP. CFT's can be added which add a further 2000 litres but essentially that is more meaningful for a Viper tasked on a High-Lo-High mud mover mission with max weight loadout including ECM/EW pods, JDAMS, droptanks, and whiz bang sticks for self protection. There are endurance/concentration human factors involved in piloting fighter aircraft for extended periods.
The Portuguese Vipers have gone through both the Falcon Up SLEP to guarantee 8000 hours and an MLU which took them from their initial Block 15 OCU to effectively Block 50. So what the Romanians are getting is effectively used Block 50's in which they will spend a further USD$185m upgrade on some components which are seen in the Block 60 and 70. They will be pretty handy birds and on par with Gripen C's with PS-05 Mk3.
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One factor, in my opinion that could make Vipers unsuitable is their air to air refuelling is boom only. Other types with probe and drogue permit buddy tanking from suitably equipped aircraft.
My reasoning being it is a big step to go full KC, much simpler to if you decide to go down the air to air refuelling role, to do it with bolt on kit.
Moom refuelling is fine for our NATO neighbours, who have the availability of dedicated tanker squadrons flying about.
Probe and drogue could start out with buddy tanking,then perhaps fit out a suitable aircraft with hose and drogue before committing fully.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Another reason to get a pair of C295 airlift versions?
It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
It was a new age...It was the end of history.
It was the year everything changed.
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Originally posted by Graylion View PostIf we start into the fast jet game, I'd go with 2 A 321 XLR MRTT and yes, moom refuelling, most the rest of the EU uses it.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by Graylion View PostIf we start into the fast jet game, I'd go with 2 A 321 XLR MRTT
One point I slightly disagree with Dr Cathal Berry quoted in the article linked above is that the "A330 is to big for us."
Well that might be the case however if you look solely through the Irish lens, however through a partnership of peace contribution to Europe and the ability to use it as a pan-european asset for global HADR, SASO and civilian evacuation missions it makes much more sense, increases Irish soft power and diplomatic leverage which in themselves are invaluable.
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