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    True but they know full well that the gravy train stops the day the yanks leave and the real horror of total Shia v Sunni v Kurds and the rest will kick off in an unrestrained fashion. You think it's shit now? Wait 'til the last Huey clears the US embassy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    True but they know full well that the gravy train stops the day the yanks leave and the real horror of total Shia v Sunni v Kurds and the rest will kick off in an unrestrained fashion. You think it's shit now? Wait 'til the last Huey clears the US embassy...
    One thing that Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq have in common is that the Tinpot dictator who was internationally despised was the only thing keeping the various local factions apart. Once they went, it all kicked off.
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    they also had dictators who did not favour one exclusive supplier for arms,which is why you had Mirages alongside Migs in Libya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    they also had dictators who did not favour one exclusive supplier for arms,which is why you had Mirages alongside Migs in Libya.
    And Iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    If this story is confirmed then it is a worrying development especially for any future peacekeeping missions. It seems Russia is using the Wagner Group (Russia's Blackwater Group) to supply 4th gen fighters to rebels in Libya, a mix of MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft. If the UN or the EU ever decide it is time to bring the fighting in Libya to an end then the presence of Russian mercenaries fly advanced combat aircraft could be a serious issue. It is one thing to be attacked by a Fouga quiet another if it is a Fencer protected by a Fulcrum.

    https://defence-blog.com/news/mig-29...ver-libya.html
    The Russian's have been in Libya with those MiG's and Sukhoi's since the end of May. They were deployed mainly to intimidate Turkey and make them stop and think twice about taking Sirte. The Russian aircraft deployed should be no problem for the Turkish F16's if it came down to it. Rumors have it that 1 and possibly 2 of the MiG's have crashed already, through action or a mechanical issue I don't know.

    The Turkish Bayraktar drones seem to be more combat effective than the older Russian Sukhoi's in the air to ground role. They are smaller so less noticable and unlike the SU's only employ guided ordinance.
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    A lot of the Russian stuff is old standard FAB-500 dumb bombs. They seem to be conserving the guided munitions.

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    The first Gripen for Brazil was delivered yesterday, by sea. The Aircraft was then towed to the nearby base for acceptance.


    Can you imagine if we had to tow any aircraft from Dublin Port to Dublin Airport?
    https://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/...-de-navegantes
    Video and photos: Moving the Gripen E through the streets of Navegantes

    By Guilherme Wiltgen

    A true war scheme was set up by the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) to escort the F-39 Gripen FAB4100 through the streets of Navegantes, between the port terminal and Navegantes Airport.

    While moving slowly, several military personnel, heavily armed, guaranteed the safety of the modern fighter, which arrived by ship on Sunday from Sweden.

    The FAB4100 will remain at Navegantes Airport this week, where Saab technicians will make their flight readiness.
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