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Never underestimate the ability of bojo to shoot himself, and the UK in the foot.
Pulling out of the European Arrest Warrant agreement for example. Wanna keep the uk full of foreign criminals while the uk is powerless to bring home those who have fled prosecution?
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
Convenient timing, on the same day the most senior civil servant in the home office resigns, blaming bullying from the home secretary..
Reminds me of the case of the "special advisor" who sent a memo on 9/11 saying that it would be a good day to bury bad news.
It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
It was a new age...It was the end of history.
It was the year everything changed.
Pulling out of the European Arrest Warrant agreement for example. Wanna keep the uk full of foreign criminals while the uk is powerless to bring home those who have fled prosecution?
There are existing UNODC IAW avenues for this as part of international law and of course red notices between national jurisdictions. The UK will now deal on a state on state basis with EU members or through negotiating a 2nd party arrangement if it is required or even wanted between now and June. The reality is, per IAW arrangements the UK is now on the same footing as countries like OZ, NZ, the US and Canada, which like countries within the EU on a reciprocal basis don't seem to have any problems in arranging trans-border arrest warrants between each other. Furthermore, the UK is very likely to enact Australia's section 501 of its migration and deportation legislation.
In who's interest is it that the RAF intercept any dodgy ai craft heading for UK airspace through the back door?
If anybody wanted to put up a counter-arguement to Ireland acquiring a squadron of fast jets, it might be why is Ireland securing the west coast of Britian from air attack? Just playing devils advocate...
Despite what some people seem to think most people in Ireland (Eire) do not hate the British. And despite the bunch of "amadans" that are in power there today we want to maintain close and good relations.
As for closing the backdoor; lets say you had two combatants "Red" and "Blue" and they where separated by a neutral "Green". If this neutral had no means of defending its territorial airspace then Red will probe how far it can use this to get an advantage. Blue will see this and want to prevent Red from getting an advantage. If in this posturing something happens both will blame Green. If you want a historic precedence for this look at the 1940 invasion of Iceland.
As for the first part of your question the famous "secret" agreement is already in place and has been discussed here many time. No-one knows how it is too work, nor what it covers as it was a government policy decision. It was made because politicians here saw the need for air defence but were not wiling to pay the cost. The UK saw the ability to intercept a "doggy" aircraft earlier as an operational advantage and thus we have what we have today. And there are many questions still on how it would work and if it is legal.
There are existing UNODC IAW avenues for this as part of international law and of course red notices between national jurisdictions. The UK will now deal on a state on state basis with EU members or through negotiating a 2nd party arrangement if it is required or even wanted between now and June. The reality is, per IAW arrangements the UK is now on the same footing as countries like OZ, NZ, the US and Canada, which like countries within the EU on a reciprocal basis don't seem to have any problems in arranging trans-border arrest warrants between each other. Furthermore, the UK is very likely to enact Australia's section 501 of its migration and deportation legislation.
Under the EAW each EU nation would deport to another EU country their citizens. However some like Germany will not deport a citizen to a non-EU country, that is their law and they have no reason to change. What the UK has done is make a mess and the infamous Costa de Crime could return to haunt them. With the EAW they enjoyed the ability to have repatriated anyone who committed a crime in the UK from the other 27 member states. Tomorrow they will not have that.
Under the EAW each EU nation would deport to another EU country their citizens. However some like Germany will not deport a citizen to a non-EU country, that is their law and they have no reason to change. What the UK has done is make a mess and the infamous Costa de Crime could return to haunt them. With the EAW they enjoyed the ability to have repatriated anyone who committed a crime in the UK from the other 27 member states. Tomorrow they will not have that.
Just to cover this off because I do have some topical familiarity professionally speaking. There is only a constitutional prohibition of nationals within their own borders (many countries have that not just EU) - all other EU citizens are subject to the UN Model Law on Extradition (2004) and as it is within Europe the EU Convention of Extradition if they have exercised freedom of movement across national borders within Europe see the Pisciotti case (C-191/16) meaning that a German national if they were for example over the border in Poland or Austria they are fair game if they were sought for extradition outside the EU with an IAW and red notice. (Even then there are International courts like the ICJ which can demand extradition from any state). Yes, the advantage of the EAW is its simplification of extradition procedures over the non CoE IAW. Yes the UK will lose that temporarily but will work within the available IAW procedures until it gets an extradition treaties established, and likely model existing CANZ/CANZUK templates. Besides the inverse is now in play for EU27 countries in dealing with the UK over matters of extradition. They too will have to go through the IAW and red notice procedure to extradite their criminal elements for prosecution within their home jurisdictions from the UK like they do from NZ, Australia, Canada the US et al until they get their own extradition arrangements in order. I see Ireland is keen to sort this quickly. All will pretty quickly.
As for the "access arrangement" to RAF air defence assets the fact they are moving into counter EW/EA via F-35 with Spear-EW maybe of interest to Ireland (that the RAF will possess it) as that is a capability set becoming more necessary than spotting bogey's at 6 O'Clock - if it is Uncle Vlad's boys. To have a friendly nation close-by that possesses tier 1 capabilities is advantageous like the OZ subs to NZ viz F-35's wired into Jericho viz NZ under that capability umbrella for free.
Or a Spanish gun boat up protecting its fishing fleet off our coast for some reason, needing to be told to f""k off by just one jet.
It is not the Spanish with whom we have had the most issues in the past years, the biggest issue has been with British registered vessels. With Brexit it will more likely be a RN Gunboat that will need to be shown the door!
It is not the Spanish with whom we have had the most issues in the past years, the biggest issue has been with British registered vessels. With Brexit it will more likely be a RN Gunboat that will need to be shown the door!
Could Ireland call the RAF to deal with the RN? Just a thought
'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night. http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
The RAF have been trying to justify their existence since 1982. The entire inventory of bombers used to drop 2 bombs on the runway at Stanley. Gulf war 1, Tornado ADV left service never having fired a shot in anger. Typhoon was old news by the time it entered service. Millions spent designing an AEWACS aircraft using a 40 year old air frame, which was doomed to fail. No MPA for 15 years and barely noticed.
The army would fly their own hercs if they were let. They already have pilots. No RAF unique heli any more. No SAR.
The usual air force duties not done. All efforts put into interceptors and attack aircraft at the expense of other functions.
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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