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  • Originally posted by CTU View Post
    That comes from the opposite budget mindset of Use it or Lose it, especially worse when rules exist to stop Budget holders from diverting any excess money to something else which may benefit from it.
    This is the worst especially when the project has been delayed by admin eg. late contract. Then everything moves except the budget, first year underspend, second year on target, final year lack of budget to complete project properly.

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    • An Irish purchase of "air combat interceptors" for their air force would mean that British fighter aircraft would no longer need to intercept unresponsive aircraft in Irish airspace.


      Check out the F16 in irish colours, which they accept is bad photoshopping.
      Otherwise a good article.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by Rocinante View Post
        We also have to get away from the mindset that it's a great thing that the DOD returns money to the DOF...use the fecking budget lads.
        In any other department not using up your budget is gross incompetence. Are they looking for a pat on the head, or doing it to spite the military.

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        • Lease or buy a few of those upgraded MiG-21 Lancers from the Romanians? I bet they'd bite your hand off for the chance to flog them off. Run them for ten years and throw them away afterwards.

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            And yet there are 2 (Good) roads that my local council digs up in Q4 annually to spend the budget
            Surely that's why they're good .......

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            • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
              Lease or buy a few of those upgraded MiG-21 Lancers from the Romanians? I bet they'd bite your hand off for the chance to flog them off. Run them for ten years and throw them away afterwards.
              Have you heard them? If they took off from the don, everyone in naas would be complaining about the noise.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                Have you heard them? If they took off from the don, everyone in naas would be complaining about the noise.
                Wouldn't the noise issue be a problem for any QRA no matter the plane?

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                • Base them in Shannon;no problems there with Russian aircraft.

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                  • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                    Lease or buy a few of those upgraded MiG-21 Lancers from the Romanians? I bet they'd bite your hand off for the chance to flog them off. Run them for ten years and throw them away afterwards.
                    You might get 10 weeks out of them and that is if you are lucky. The Lancers are past the "use by date", they have an availability rate way under 50%, the accident rate is almost F104 like and out of the 110 modernised between 1995 and 2000 only 28 are still airworthy. They are being replaced with second hand F16s which can also be obtained if we wanted to go down that road.

                    Also do not forget where the spares for the airframe and engine come from!!
                    Last edited by EUFighter; 1 July 2020, 07:26.

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                    • Originally posted by Orion View Post
                      Surely that's why they're good .......
                      They would be good if they left them alone

                      Irish Water was doing upgrade works last year (24/7 works for a number of months) and had to dig up much of a road and resurfaced it - was a perfect surface. Apparently it was a temporary surface, the permanent surface they laid wasn’t as good as what was there before

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                      • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                        Wouldn't the noise issue be a problem for any QRA no matter the plane?
                        You haven't heard a Mig 21.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • That's proper noise,that is. None of yer Fouga screech here. If you are going to go deaf, do it in style. V Rossii,Mig oglushayet tebya!

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                          • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                            You might get 10 weeks out of them and that is if you are lucky. The Lancers are past the "use by date", they have an availability rate way under 50%, the accident rate is almost F104 like and out of the 110 modernised between 1995 and 2000 only 28 are still airworthy. They are being replaced with second hand F16s which can also be obtained if we wanted to go down that road.

                            Also do not forget where the spares for the airframe and engine come from!!
                            well, then, the pilots would get real time ejection experience, the fire crews would get practise on putting out aircraft fires and landowners would get new ornaments,albeit smoking a bit from a deep hole. (i'm joking, okay??!!"

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                            • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                              That's proper noise,that is. None of yer Fouga screech here. If you are going to go deaf, do it in style. V Rossii,Mig oglushayet tebya!
                              Better to go for the MiG29 it has double the fun and double the noise

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                              • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                                That's proper noise,that is. None of yer Fouga screech here. If you are going to go deaf, do it in style. V Rossii,Mig oglushayet tebya!
                                I last heard it in 1994, and to say my eardrums were offended is an understatement. You can feel the damage being done as it literally tears apart the air around it.
                                No clip will do justice to how horrible it sounds. That crackle noise is when you try to stick your fist into your ear to block it out.


                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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