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  • #76
    Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    Yes they are!!
    stand corrected

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
      The Engr Field Coy is Athlone. That is only a sub-unit
      Am I missing something? What else is there besides a Bde Eng Coy?
      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
        Am I missing something? What else is there besides a Bde Eng Coy?
        Maint Engrs, HQ, staff officers etc

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
          Am I missing something? What else is there besides a Bde Eng Coy?
          There is not a Bde Engr Coy. There is a Bde Engr Gp which has a HQ, an I&U Coy and a Fd Engr Coy

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
            There is not a Bde Engr Coy. There is a Bde Engr Gp which has a HQ, an I&U Coy and a Fd Engr Coy
            Ta
            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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            • #81
              Provision of Cost-Rental Public Housing: Motion [Private Members] - Cathal Brigham /



              Dáil debates
              Tuesday, 6 March 2018
              Provision of Cost-Rental Public Housing: Motion [Private Members]

              6:45 pm

              Photo of Eamon RyanEamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
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              I move:

              That Dáil Éireann:notes that:
              — we are in the midst of a housing crisis which is undermining our society and threatens our economy;

              — since 2010, rents in Dublin have increased by an average of 81%;

              — there are 700 sites in public ownership around the country which have recently been identified by the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government as having potential for housing development;

              — the Government is overly dependent on the private sector for the provision of new housing supply, relying solely on increasing such supply will not address the affordability issue as developers will bid up the prices for available land, leading to further increases in house prices and rents;

              — the provision of new social housing, using differential rents, will not on its own address the housing crisis, as it will not affect rent and property price rises in the private sector;

              — providing a direct subsidy to existing private market rents similarly fails the test of helping reduce overall rents and would prove very expensive to the exchequer without the State ever acquiring any additional assets;

              — EUROSTAT has recently indicated that approved housing bodies will not be able to avail of off-balance sheet financing for the provision of new homes;

              — 1,000 new apartments are currently under construction in the docklands area of Dublin but most of those units are already sold to international corporations for the use of their staff;

              — we must avoid the mistakes made in other international high-tech cities, where local people are frozen out of the housing market and public servants are unable to afford housing close to hospitals, schools and other social and public services;

              — European countries with more stable, affordable and socially inclusive housing systems support large-scale provision of secure cost rental accommodation where rents reflect costs, not the maximum that the market will sustain;

              — the case for a new more ‘unitary’ public housing model was set out in a report compiled by the National Economic and Social Council, entitled Social Housing at the Crossroads: Possibilities for Investment, Provision and Cost Rental, in June 2014, which proposed the widespread adoption of a cost rental housing model;

              — a cost rental model of housing can reduce development cost by availing of low interest rate public finance, publicly owned land, economies of scale from large-scale development and the absence of profit margins to private developers;

              — this model will enable national public housing sectors to remain off-balance sheet, which allows investment to continue through downturns in economic activity;

              — cost rental housing schemes could be funded through a combination of the European Investment Bank and other European Union funding institutions, credit unions, pension funds, Home Building Finance Ireland which funds from the Ireland Strategic Investment Fund, the Housing Finance Agency, and Exchequer funding, as appropriate;

              — this model will provide multi-annual funding commitments to facilitate forward planning;

              — the Rebuilding Ireland Action Plan for Housing and Homelessness contains no targets, and no clear funding stream, for the delivery of cost rental housing; and

              — only one small test site for new cost rental housing has been initiated and no other affordable rental scheme is being developed by the Government;
              and calls on the Government to:
              — define cost rental housing as publicly owned housing which is publicly provided on State-owned land where the rents are set on the basis of recovering the cost of the property over the lifetime of a long-term loan;

              — introduce regulations to ensure that any long-term profits, after the repayment of such loans, are retained within the system and reinvested in housing supply;

              — direct the new National Regeneration and Development Agency to work with the relevant State agencies to designate Cathal Brugha Barracks in Rathmines, Dublin 6, and Broadstone Garage in Dublin 7 as the first locations and plan for them to be the first of the major cost rental housing developments;

              — plan for the construction of 3,000 new homes at these two locations;

              — design each cost rental scheme to target those individuals who are currently spending more than one-third of their total income on their current rental accommodation;

              — also allocate a percentage of new housing for people on the local authority housing lists and in those cases facilitate the use of a suitable State support - for example, housing assistance payment - to allow them pay the same rent as other tenants;

              — involve disability communities, such as Nimble Spaces, in each development so that it promotes an arts-led participatory design process, meets the needs of many different citizens, enables active citizenship and participation, encourages social inclusion and positive relationships, and incorporates smart design that is good for people and the environment; and

              — immediately identify other publicly-owned sites that would suit the provision of cost rental schemes led by local authorities, approved housing bodies and housing co-operatives.

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              • #82
                Vote green. Guaranteed to close down barracks that are still operational and required.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                  Vote green. Guaranteed to close down barracks that are still operational and required.
                  Actually in this case they are right. Dublin has one too many Barracks at the moment.They moved all the troops out of Mckee but left the Directorates and the school of buns and as a result they are having to bring in troops from all over the 2BDE just to keep the place secure.What should happen is close the Brugha and move the units there to Mckee.That might prove problematic when you consider some of the historical buildings located in CBB but I am sure they could be listed or kept on by DoD and built around. Fair enough back in 2012 when they did the Bks cull the arse had fallen out of the property market but if you had to sell now CBB is as we know in D4,the most expensive real estate in the country.Besides would you want to seel McKee,which is arguably the best Bks we have architecture wise or CBB??

                  No.Selling CBB would make money,save money and also improve the lives of the troops who are being dragged from as far away as Donegal to maintain the fantasy that we need to huge Barracks in Dublin
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • #84
                    Having 'frontline' units in McKee might help with removing the echo chamber/bubble that has built up around DFHQ to the realities in the rest of the DF.

                    Prob won't happen though as there isn't enough room for Ego's

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                    • #85
                      Here's another idea:

                      Build mix of 2/3/4 bedroom modern apartments in Cathal Brugha.

                      Dept of Defnece funds the build, and hires an external private company to manage the properties..

                      Rent out to serving defence forces personnel and family at max of 30% of take home pay.

                      Consider it a benefit in kind / renumeration package.

                      Personnel and their families are now able to afford livin in capital city and major urban centre yet within 40min commute of DFHQ, DFTC, Baldonnel, McKee, Dublin Duty areas

                      potentially removes personnel from FIS as well as serving as an increase in net pay without a pay rise.

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                      • #86
                        Or do the same with o'devaney gardens/Bricins and sell off cathal Brugha to pay for it.

                        It's not an new concept. Guiness build houses for their workers.

                        Major Tech companies are doing it in Dublin already.

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                        • #87
                          If the CBB was sold off, the DF would get nothing out it. Other than another Bks closed. as for troops doin duties in the CBB, are troops being transported to Dublin to do Guard in CBB?

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                          • #88
                            Troops are being transported from Donegal, Dundalk, and athlone to do duties between McKee and Brugha

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                            • #89
                              Troops are being transported from Donegal, Dundalk, and athlone to do duties between McKee and Brugha
                              Barracks in Dublin Closed

                              1) Richmond ( Inchicore )
                              2) Beggars Bush ( Ballsbridge/Shelbourne)
                              3) Griffith ( SCR)
                              4) Clancy ( Islandbridge)
                              5) Collins

                              Am I missing any ?
                              Clancy had to be pushed onto developers now they are making a mint. Griffith could be bought off and redeveloped immediately, theres little need for a private college, half of collins could go to social housing. The bit of bricins that got given to MacNamara is still empty ..

                              This is utter bx from Ryan but is votewinning nothing else.
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by apod View Post
                                Actually in this case they are right. Dublin has one too many Barracks at the moment.They moved all the troops out of Mckee but left the Directorates and the school of buns and as a result they are having to bring in troops from all over the 2BDE just to keep the place secure.What should happen is close the Brugha and move the units there to Mckee.That might prove problematic when you consider some of the historical buildings located in CBB but I am sure they could be listed or kept on by DoD and built around. Fair enough back in 2012 when they did the Bks cull the arse had fallen out of the property market but if you had to sell now CBB is as we know in D4,the most expensive real estate in the country.Besides would you want to seel McKee,which is arguably the best Bks we have architecture wise or CBB??

                                No.Selling CBB would make money,save money and also improve the lives of the troops who are being dragged from as far away as Donegal to maintain the fantasy that we need to huge Barracks in Dublin
                                CBB is in D4? When did that happen? The residents of Wrathmines will not be pleased.
                                The argument for closing CBB over McKee, or even Baldonnel is a case of 2 bald men fighting over a comb. Better still, to close any barracks in the current environment is a case of selling off the family silver.
                                When its gone, its gone.
                                Closing does not provide a solution to bussing troops from elsewhere to secure it. It merely sends them elsewhere, as the DF again fail to properly manage staffing, and security arrangements. You need to ask why are there 2 guardrooms in the city (assuming there is one in McKee).
                                Kildare closed during the building boom. It lay idle for many years, becoming a target for anti social behaviour, until the local authority took it over.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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