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    The newer shirt is a step in the right direction. It’s a lighter material and it’s compatible with body armour. It’s addresses the ridiculous lob sided pen pocket/ shoulder pocket issue (who’d have thought you can put a pen in a normal Ubacs style pocket). There’s room for improvement certainly such as placing the flag on the blanking plate and swapping buttons for zips but one step at a time.

    But most of all it offers an alternative to the ubacs, which is designed for warm weather which Ireland sees little of. a shirt that can be layered on top of a dry flow is a welcome option for the colder months where a smock might be too much. It’s not perfect but it’s in line with best international practice and not based on how it looks on a majors parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo hunter View Post
    The newer shirt is a step in the right direction. It’s a lighter material and it’s compatible with body armour. It’s addresses the ridiculous lob sided pen pocket/ shoulder pocket issue (who’d have thought you can put a pen in a normal Ubacs style pocket). There’s room for improvement certainly such as placing the flag on the blanking plate and swapping buttons for zips but one step at a time.

    But most of all it offers an alternative to the ubacs, which is designed for warm weather which Ireland sees little of. a shirt that can be layered on top of a dry flow is a welcome option for the colder months where a smock might be too much. It’s not perfect but it’s in line with best international practice and not based on how it looks on a majors parade.
    The new shirt is not compatible with body armour bar the sleeve pockets.It still retains a traditional shirt collar which is not suited to wear with GSBA and as said it has buttons instead of a zip.
    As for wearing DRYFLOs under UBACS. It is done all the time. No issues .Way more comfortable than wearing a shirt under GSBA.
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    Got a good look at the latest pattern DPM shirt yesterday (Two UBACS style sleeve pockets).

    The pen pocket has been wadied completely. None on the lower sleeve or inside either sleeve pockets. They have fixed one problem(the shirts lopsided appearance) but in the process have created another (no pen pocket) GRRRR

    Can we EVER get anything right!!
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Got a good look at the latest pattern DPM shirt yesterday (Two UBACS style sleeve pockets).

    The pen pocket has been wadied completely. None on the lower sleeve or inside either sleeve pockets. They have fixed one problem(the shirts lopsided appearance) but in the process have created another (no pen pocket) GRRRR

    Can we EVER get anything right!!
    God forbid we put a pen in a normal pocket ????


    There’s so many variations of uniform in circulation at this point uniformity is almost impossible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo hunter View Post
    God forbid we put a pen in a normal pocket ????


    There’s so many variations of uniform in circulation at this point uniformity is almost impossible
    What happens when you put a pen in a NORMAL sleeve pocket?? It moves around.That's what. Jamming into you at all the wrong angles and making it harder to get out quickly when you need it.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Got a good look at the latest pattern DPM shirt yesterday (Two UBACS style sleeve pockets).

    The pen pocket has been wadied completely. None on the lower sleeve or inside either sleeve pockets. They have fixed one problem(the shirts lopsided appearance) but in the process have created another (no pen pocket) GRRRR

    Can we EVER get anything right!!
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the "Pen Pouch" originally an FFD pouch, that got redesigned by someone who spent more time in an office then in the field?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the "Pen Pouch" originally an FFD pouch, that got redesigned by someone who spent more time in an office then in the field?
    No mate.Your'e wrong.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    No mate.Your'e wrong.
    Fair enough. For some reason, I remember seeing a picture from an overseas mission where that pouch, seemed bulkier than a pen pouch, and it defently wasn't the smock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    What happens when you put a pen in a NORMAL sleeve pocket?? It moves around.That's what. Jamming into you at all the wrong angles and making it harder to get out quickly when you need it.
    Personally I’d prefer the extra pocket over the slight annoyance of a rogue pen, and if pen pockets are absolutely necessary (which they’re not) put them where other nations are putting them ie: the forearm, or go even further and mimic a shirt designed by nations with a much better r/d than the defence forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo hunter View Post
    Personally I’d prefer the extra pocket over the slight annoyance of a rogue pen, and if pen pockets are absolutely necessary (which they’re not) put them where other nations are putting them ie: the forearm, or go even further and mimic a shirt designed by nations with a much better r/d than the defence forces.
    I think we were both in agreement but didn't realise it. My argument is exactly that. Give us two Bicep pockets for bulkier items(if not for symmetry) but KEEP a pen pocket also.My suggestion is the same.Lower sleeve. That might upset the "suns out,guns out" crew so an alternative is a pen pocket INSIDE the bicep pocket.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...
    Indeed.Which looks shit. Honestly I just don't get why all our outer Garments(tops) can't have a similar pocket layout. Except for the stupid field dressing pocket on right forearm of the new smock and waterproof jacket.Get rid of those. No need.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Admin Instruction A9 updated.

    1/ Boots Operational Brown now authorised for wear "As ordered". (Boots black Operational still authorised for wear (for now)by those who have not been issued an alternative IE PDF Inductees/ AR pers)

    2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
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    2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.
    I assume where they can be attached ?
    As in there is Velcro ?

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    Of course not.That would make sense. 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.

    That might work with the smock or older shirts,but you will need to attach soft velcro first,but there is no way that the Bicep pocket velcro on the UBACS or new shirt is 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.Are we expected to sew on a velcro backed badge ABOVE the shirt/UBACS pocket when both items already have a velcro panel designed to fit your badges too??

    Seriously.Who thinks these things up?
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    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    The idea fairy strikes again.
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