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    Any pics of all this new kit?
    Time for another break I think......

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    See Post 117 for pictures of the prototypes(thank god they have fixed the Trouser pockets!) and Post's 394 and 399 in this thread for pictures of the finished product RE the shirt and the trousers.The shirt had the UBACS pocket added.On ONE sleeve and the Trouser pockets were angled backwards instead of forwards and the larger slotted buttons used instead of the smaller ones to close it.)

    The only differences on the smock from the prototype and the issue is the addition of the fleece lining to the collar.

    The boonie hat is as per the prototype and is HUGE.

    The UBACS now comes with a side zipped collar.
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    The shirt looks minging… the trousers with set elastics, its going to look gank on guys who are not straight off the peg.....has the actual DPM pattern changed? Looking at the detail the actual patterns in the shirts seem to have acquired more 'squiggles'
    Time for another break I think......

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    Nope.Pattern is the same.
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    Anyone notice the new shirts being worn in a few of the recent DF official photos.Mainly by RDF.
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    I notice the new general wearing what I assume is a new shirt. Whats the deal with the pocket location? Too high for a waist pocket, too low for a chest pocket. why bother at all?
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    Noticed that too.Modified shirt.
    She would have just been better off to just wadi the pockets altogether.Or better still get issued one of the 2018 shirts with no,ahem,"breast" pockets.
    Personally I think it was a poor choice of attire for a first official photo.
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    "Tactical trousers"(Arktis/Crye style) to begin manufacture in Jan 2020.
    Scale of issue still unknown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    "Tactical trousers"(Arktis/Crye style) to begin manufacture in Jan 2020.
    Scale of issue still unknown.
    I imagine it'll be like the UBAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    I imagine it'll be like the UBAC.
    That would be my guess too. I believe they are being manufactured by Seyntex from an Arktis design(who got the Idea from Crye). I haven't had a chance to examine them but looking at some videos of the original Arktis ones on Youtube they look to be a great bit of kit. I assume they come with a pair of removable kneepads.

    If so those that mean a separate issue of kneepads is no longer required? As it is the issue elbow pads are defunct since the UBAC was introduced.
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    First new smock showed up at my callsign today. I say smock but fit wise it is more like the old combat jacket. They are shorter and more tailored. If you want to be able to get your layers underneath with ease I would advise that whatever your current size is go at least one size up if being issued one of the new ones.
    One issue that was pointed out is that the placement of the rank slide holder is higher up than on the old model.Meaning that the wearer cannot leave the neck of the smock open too far down.Also the fleece lined collar means you can't fold down the collar when the hood is detached at it looks ridiculous to do so.

    EDIT: Cancel my last. go at least TWO sizes up if you want to be able to fit your layers under and when you go to get sized don't just try the Smock(it's really a jacket) on over a shirt and t-shirt.
    Wear a Barrack jacket or snugpack aswell. They are VERY tight fitting.
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    PDF Recruits in Cork wearing a mixture of old and new "smocks".

    Those with the new type "smock" have the hood front velcro closed and the hood hanging down their back similar to the old smock hood.

    I say similar but it is anything but. It looks awful. Any of you NCO's,if you end up with troops who have the new "smock" don't try to make them look uniform with the old ones.You can't.
    Just tell them to remove the hood and wear the smock buttoned up to the collar. It looks waaaaaaaaaaaaay neater.

    New shirts are a nause also. If you are right handed and used to stowing your phone in your left chest pocket. Get used to now having to use your left hand to get your phone out of your right side bicep pocket. Why oh why didn't we just go for a UBACS style pocket on BOTH sleeves????????????Grrrrr
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    PDF Recruits in Cork wearing a mixture of old and new "smocks".

    Those with the new type "smock" have the hood front velcro closed and the hood hanging down their back similar to the old smock hood.

    I say similar but it is anything but. It looks awful. Any of you NCO's,if you end up with troops who have the new "smock" don't try to make them look uniform with the old ones.You can't.
    Just tell them to remove the hood and wear the smock buttoned up to the collar. It looks waaaaaaaaaaaaay neater.

    New shirts are a nause also. If you are right handed and used to stowing your phone in your left chest pocket. Get used to now having to use your left hand to get your phone out of your right side bicep pocket. Why oh why didn't we just go for a UBACS style pocket on BOTH sleeves????????????Grrrrr
    And why on a shirt designed for barracks wear

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    any pics going
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    any pics going
    Seek and ye shall find.
    http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t12755-2018-pattern-smock

    http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t12754-2018-pattern-shirt

    (Unless it was pictures of the recruits you were looking for.In which case I can't help you.And why would you want them anyway ya sick b'stad??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    And why on a shirt designed for barracks wear
    Yeah.That's what happens when the needs and wants of 7% of the members of an organisation are given precedence over the other 93%.IE the Females.

    Shirt was made "Unisex".Then after some negative comments about there being no proper pockets on the prototype shirt they just chuck one on to an existing design.
    No imagination at all. Also I guarantee that some dinosaur cribbed that if they DID fit a UBACS pocket on both sleeves "Where will the tricolour go?" Eh,on the blanking plate lower down like most other nations do.Or stitch it to the pocket lid if it's that big a problem for you.
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    How long do you think it will be before some numpty decides the removable hood makes an ideal garment to wear without the smock?
    Also, I am not a fan of velcro for rank holder. Too easy to lose the slider (or anything else you decide to hang off it, like radio handset, if such a thing is still in use. I appreciate though that it is probably no longer a priority, given rank markings have moved to other places..
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    New smocks causing snags at my call sign. Recruits were sized using the old kit but when issued they got the new stuff. Sizes/fit are completely different.
    Cue 6ft odd recruits wearing smocks that are shorter than a shirt unable to pull the drawstring in around the waist as it is up around the middle of their ribs!

    Moral of the story. Make sure that if you are getting people issued kit that you warn them to expect that the new smocks are sized differently as it looks awful to see people wearing the wrong size for their height.
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    You can see the difference in the length of the new and old smocks in this Photo. Point to not being that the Lt.Col is wearing the CORRECT size for his height. Even still.They are much shorter. Bad move IMHO.
    EQF_cBpXkAIHxhw.jpg

    Here you can see the issue with the new smock collar. Worn up minus hood is neat enough but maybe a bit restrictive to have to wear it all mandarin collar style.
    Worn folded down looks terrible,due to the fleece lining IMHO.
    (Of course it looks even worse when worn with the hood attached.Either hanging down the back,as I have seen one recruit Pln doing,or worn with the hood tied around the collar using the velcro as I have seen another Pln doing)
    EQF_cCZXYAAFumI.jpg EPbsyIdWoAE6hbz.png
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    That looks a terrible design

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    Disagree completely.....massive improvement over existing smock. Never liked length of old smock. It was just extra materiel flapping around your hips and upper thighs.

    Sizing issues aside...the photos show a properly sized smock that is neat and looks much for practical / comfortable for tactical movement and wearing of CBA / IPLCS.

    Almost forget....if we're talking fashion trends for this spring.....definitely collar up
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    It reminds me somewhat of what the old og combats looked like, if you got one the right size.
    Some shorter wearers of the old smock(mostly, but not always female) liked to wear them with the pockets lying just below their knees.
    This is a huge improvement.
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    I remember what it was like wearing the old combat jacket(a correctly fitting one) on exercise and the feckin thing riding up every time you knelt down.It also didn't cover your butt when sitting on cold/wet ground. I remember being very envious of the Wing with their smocks and was delighted when they went on general issue.

    These new Jackets(That's what they are) are a retrograde move and go completely against all the recommendations that the ARW Special study group made back in '96 that led to the introduction of the smock in the first place! We are re-inventing the wheel.
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    These new Jackets(That's what they are) are a retrograde move and go completely against all the recommendations that the ARW Special study group made back in '96 that led to the introduction of the smock in the first place! We are re-inventing the wheel.
    That looks like a massive backward step for our climate anyway, for all the time on stag I was glad once I finally got a smock as apod says it was chilly bum time mostly
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