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    Then what are PDF recruits and 2*s and all of the RDF supposed to wear if that's the case. Honestly if we are effectively going for separate uniform for barracks and field wear it should just be admitted and the scale of issue changed to reflect that and not pretend that the stuff is suitable for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    It’s not meant for tactical use. It’s barrack dress
    Absolutely
    But isn’t the argument for no pockets partially to do with CBA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Absolutely
    But isn’t the argument for no pockets partially to do with CBA?
    Thought it was so that the shirt would be unisex? The UBACS shirt is for use with CBA, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Thought it was so that the shirt would be unisex? The UBACS shirt is for use with CBA, surely?
    Not sure if unisex

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    Think The removal of pockets was more to do with the absolute suffering it inflicted on females
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    Female rep on DFCC lobbied for their removal.
    And yes. Recruits/2*'s and RDF do not get issued UBACS so they wear the DPM shirt in the field in warm weather. Not exactly a level playing field. IMHO RDFRA would be better off lobbying for things they might have a chance of getting such as getting Boonie Hats and UBACS added to the RDF scale of issue then the fluting around with big tickets items they probably won't.

    RDF Officers and SNCO's also let the side down by not submitting Observer Input Reports (OIR's) on kit deficiencies to DF lessons learned section after every exercise or field activity. Imagine if that section was bombarded with OIR's all saying the same thing. Surely someone would take notice.No?

    As for the DPM shirt design. Lighter more breathable material which is a plus,but a retarded pocket layout which is a negative. Tenner in the bet that DJ1 doesn't take into consideration the different designs of DPM shirt out there when A9 is amended to address the wearing of the new subdued unit flashes. Which BTW seems to be a scarlet pimpernel item of kit. No one has seen or been issued them that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Female rep on DFCC lobbied for their removal.
    And yes. Recruits/2*'s and RDF do not get issued UBACS so they wear the DPM shirt in the field in warm weather. Not exactly a level playing field. IMHO RDFRA would be better off lobbying for things they might have a chance of getting such as getting Boonie Hats and UBACS added to the RDF scale of issue then the fluting around with big tickets items they probably won't.

    RDF Officers and SNCO's also let the side down by not submitting Observer Input Reports (OIR's) on kit deficiencies to DF lessons learned section after every exercise or field activity. Imagine if that section was bombarded with OIR's all saying the same thing. Surely someone would take notice.No?

    As for the DPM shirt design. Lighter more breathable material which is a plus,but a retarded pocket layout which is a negative. Tenner in the bet that DJ1 doesn't take into consideration the different designs of DPM shirt out there when A9 is amended to address the wearing of the new subdued unit flashes. Which BTW seems to be a scarlet pimpernel item of kit. No one has seen or been issued them that I know of.
    OIR - first I heard of it TBH. There IS a formalised process then? How is this done - IKON?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    OIR - first I heard of it TBH. There IS a formalised process then? How is this done - IKON?
    Yup. Standardised form.Download an amend as required.Upload completed form to DF LL Cell. Also there is a clothing and footwear feedback portal on the D ORD page in the DCoS Support section on IKON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    OIR - first I heard of it TBH. There IS a formalised process then? How is this done - IKON?
    I've seen it done and work. Generally speaking it helps if the person reciving the form has something pointed out to them which causes the reaction "I need to fix this or I'm potentially getting my ticket for not acting on it"

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    Excellent stuff, I must have a look for those forms next time in.

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    New shirts look...wrong...Like something out of a DPM Maternity Wear catalog. Plus the Velcro patch and UBAC style pocket on one side only seems like a missed opportunity.

    [EDIT] To clarify on the above, if the UBACS style pocket had been included on the left arm as well, it might have been possible to issue Tricolours in standard and subdued versions. I am sure that adding them to each shirt and smock is a bit of an additional cost sink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post
    New shirts look...wrong...Like something out of a DPM Maternity Wear catalog. Plus the Velcro patch and UBAC style pocket on one side only seems like a missed opportunity.

    [EDIT] To clarify on the above, if the UBACS style pocket had been included on the left arm as well, it might have been possible to issue Tricolours in standard and subdued versions. I am sure that adding them to each shirt and smock is a bit of an additional cost sink.
    Yep as Apod mentioned before, with blanking plates x2 pairs. One set for bks wear with subdued unit flash and IRE flash, other set for field use (no unit flash and subdued IRE flash?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Yep as Apod mentioned before, with blanking plates x2 pairs. One set for bks wear with subdued unit flash and IRE flash, other set for field use (no unit flash and subdued IRE flash?)
    Why would you need a subdued Ireland flash? If the situation dictated that you needed to hide the few cm² of green, white and orange, then wearing 3 x shades of grey is not going to help you in any way.

    You either want to show nationality or you do not. Pointless subdued efforts at a tricolour in name only do not serve any purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Why would you need a subdued Ireland flash? If the situation dictated that you needed to hide the few cm² of green, white and orange, then wearing 3 x shades of grey is not going to help you in any way.

    You either want to show nationality or you do not. Pointless subdued efforts at a tricolour in name only do not serve any purpose
    What about the IR tricolours?

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    Better tell the wing so that they are wasting their time. They are issued both Hi-viz and subdued IR reflective tricolours. Also the white part of the normal tricolour is visible with the naked eye at well over 100m. Nice little aiming point for someone wanting to take a shot at you.

    My issue is the wearing of "subdued " unit flashes in the field. In Bks yeah to match the rest of the uniform (you are hardly gonna wear a full colour unit flash on DPMs are you) but nobody should ever wear a unit flash in the field. You may as well put up a neon sign telling every RECCE soldier and Sniper who you are. Why make their job easier??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Why would you need a subdued Ireland flash? If the situation dictated that you needed to hide the few cm² of green, white and orange, then wearing 3 x shades of grey is not going to help you in any way.

    You either want to show nationality or you do not. Pointless subdued efforts at a tricolour in name only do not serve any purpose
    Subdued or IR reflective - whichever
    Several nations use subdued versions of their national flag on their field uniform
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Better tell the wing so that they are wasting their time. They are issued both Hi-viz and subdued IR reflective tricolours. Also the white part of the normal tricolour is visible with the naked eye at well over 100m. Nice little aiming point for someone wanting to take a shot at you.

    My issue is the wearing of "subdued " unit flashes in the field. In Bks yeah to match the rest of the uniform (you are hardly gonna wear a full colour unit flash on DPMs are you) but nobody should ever wear a unit flash in the field. You may as well put up a neon sign telling every RECCE soldier and Sniper who you are. Why make their job easier??
    Are you old enough to remember the reflective stripes? They actually went on your combats.
    We went to lots of trouble making rank markings removable so they didn't need to be worn in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Are you old enough to remember the reflective stripes? They actually went on your combats.
    We went to lots of trouble making rank markings removable so they didn't need to be worn in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Better tell the wing so that they are wasting their time. They are issued both Hi-viz and subdued IR reflective tricolours. Also the white part of the normal tricolour is visible with the naked eye at well over 100m. Nice little aiming point for someone wanting to take a shot at you.

    My issue is the wearing of "subdued " unit flashes in the field. In Bks yeah to match the rest of the uniform (you are hardly gonna wear a full colour unit flash on DPMs are you) but nobody should ever wear a unit flash in the field. You may as well put up a neon sign telling every RECCE soldier and Sniper who you are. Why make their job easier??
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    The colour tricolour makes sense at home and most of the time overseas

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    Really ? We're issuing shirts without fking pockets now ? And re the above how am I supposed to submit an OIR "dont take the pockets off" when every shirt I've had since enlisting has fking pockets on it . Fk me most women complain their clothes have no pockets in them ( and rightly so) ... what was the beef over harmless fking pockets ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Brassards
    Were only supposed to be worn with shirt order
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Were only supposed to be worn with shirt order
    Rank markings were to be sewn onto the sleeves of combats. Reflective for road safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Are you old enough to remember the reflective stripes? They actually went on your combats.
    We went to lots of trouble making rank markings removable so they didn't need to be worn in the field.
    No thank god. I had SD No1 rank Markings on my combats when I first started in Uniform.Never made sense.OG uniform with big red and yellow rank on the sleeves.

    The current rank markings are subdued so when you are in the field you can still tell someone's rank when close up. They are difficult to make out at a distance(Unless you are general staff who tinkered with the Field Rank marking so that everyone knew they were a General).

    They are NOT removable so as not to be worn in the field. That just helps when laundering and cuts down on the amount of Rank marking you need issued. Unit Flashes are another matter. RECCE and Snipers actively look to ID who they are looking at.It is one of their main tasks. I say again. No unit flashes in the field.

    Actually when you come to think of it we issue two types of field rank marking now. Slider and Velcro. Slider for Smock,Wets,BKS Jacket and shirt. Velcro for UBACS and T-shirt. WHY?? Why not save the taxpayer some money and just tailor the Bks dress items and smock and wets to accept a velcro badge and do away with sliders?? If so we will have come full circle. Remember the "Elvis" shirts??
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Actually when you come to think of it we issue two types of field rank marking now. Slider and Velcro. Slider for Smock,Wets,BKS Jacket and shirt. Velcro for UBACS and T-shirt. WHY?? Why not save the taxpayer some money and just tailor the Bks dress items and smock and wets to accept a velcro badge and do away with sliders?? If so we will have come full circle. Remember the "Elvis" shirts??
    Somthing like the new style Arktis A110 shirt



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