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    Timeline of Kit issue to the DF

    I must start a thread giving dates when different pieces of personal kit went on issue.
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    2005 was a key year when they stopped issuing the og fleece & and only issued the norgie. RDFRA were patting themselves on the back at the time for getting this enshrined in the regs.
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    1989 when we started getting issue working dress instead of just SD1 for everything. Great coats came off the issue scale at the same time IIRC
    Ho Chi Minh jackets came out too both for pdf and FCA did not last long for PDF but much longer for FCA, not actually a bad bit of kit but very limited as it was crap in rain and cold
    Official OG wooly pully at same time too
    Baseball hats were on issue to PDF at the same time but only for a short period
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    1989 when we started getting issue working dress instead of just SD1 for everything. Great coats came off the issue scale at the same time IIRC
    Ho Chi Minh jackets came out too both for pdf and FCA did not last long for PDF but much longer for FCA, not actually a bad bit of kit but very limited as it was crap in rain and cold
    Official OG wooly pully at same time too
    Baseball hats were on issue to PDF at the same time but only for a short period
    It must have been a bit later, I joined up in 1990, we only got SD1 until camp of 1991, we were issued great coats as well.
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    was it red epaulettes at the time ; think it was green.

    Interested in remembering when we lost the black beret and went green, also when Bulls Wool went out.

    38 webbing wasn't officially replaced till PDF donated the 58 web , that was some fire in the Brugha. IPLCS was 2008

    14bs for Magnums - what year
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    I don't ever remember being issued with a greatcoat that had green epaulettes. Always only Maroon.
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    1996: First issue of OG combats to FCA.
    I believe the Magnums went on issue to the RDF in 2007.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    1996: First issue of OG combats to FCA.
    I believe the Magnums went on issue to the RDF in 2007.
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    2004.We were the first unit to get them. 28 inf Gp KFOR.
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    Remember being on first annual training in 1989. Was on guard duty one night and the PDF BOS was chatting with us in the guardroom. "Ye lads are getting working dress shortly" he said. We'd heard nothing about it at the time. We got working dress trousers, wooly pully and Ho Chi Minh jacket. Like Trellheim said, wear of it didn't last long. For some reason, it was another while before we got the working dress shirt. Until then we wore the SD No 1 shirt with it. Didn't think it was 96 when we got the combats. Thought sooner. Like most, had contraband combats. Cooks, etc. , were making a mint flogging same off. How they squared it away with kit inspections I don't know
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    ... never saw the baseball caps. Initial issue of SD No 1 had red epaulettes as did the greatcoat. This was my issue on my Pot NCO Cse. One of the lads in my section had an SD No 1 tunic with green epaulettes. Subsequently got an issue of SD No 1 and greatcoat with green epaulettes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    2005 was a key year when they stopped issuing the og fleece & and only issued the norgie. RDFRA were patting themselves on the back at the time for getting this enshrined in the regs.
    Never managed to get an OG fleece on issue. Ended up buying a Soldier 2000 fleece. Needed on cold winter nights and could not be seen under the DPM smock anyway
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    I joined in 96 and got combats and working dress. Still havent got a greatcoat. Also got a green cravat which i never used.
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    Also got a green cravat which i never used.
    I forgot about those fkers !

    OK here's one : when did the kit bags go on issue ? Bonus points if you can remember what years they shifted to progressively worse versions. I still have the first issue kitbag and its by a LONG WAY the best item of kit I was ever issued, still going strong
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    Was before i joined because i got one with my initial issue.
    Still have it. Newer schoolbag types are s**te

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    I forgot about those fkers !

    OK here's one : when did the kit bags go on issue ? Bonus points if you can remember what years they shifted to progressively worse versions. I still have the first issue kitbag and its by a LONG WAY the best item of kit I was ever issued, still going strong
    Think I got mine around 1990/91. Still have it - bulletproof for what is a relatively flimsy bag
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    I forgot about those fkers !

    OK here's one : when did the kit bags go on issue ? Bonus points if you can remember what years they shifted to progressively worse versions. I still have the first issue kitbag and its by a LONG WAY the best item of kit I was ever issued, still going strong
    1990/91 I think is when I got my one. Bulletproof piece of kit
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    I got mine in 1999 or 2000. Still have it, has travelled widely. Zip still fine, straps all fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    was it red epaulettes at the time ; think it was green.

    Interested in remembering when we lost the black beret and went green, also when Bulls Wool went out.

    38 webbing wasn't officially replaced till PDF donated the 58 web , that was some fire in the Brugha. IPLCS was 2008

    14bs for Magnums - what year
    I remember lads in my first outfit wearing Magnums in the early to mid 90s, long before they became an item in DF stores (obviously not the present Scorpion version)
    I even had a set myself - grand for plebbing around in on training days/weekends, but not worth a damn for being on the ground/ranges (not waterproof)
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    was it red epaulettes at the time ; think it was green.

    Interested in remembering when we lost the black beret and went green, also when Bulls Wool went out.

    38 webbing wasn't officially replaced till PDF donated the 58 web , that was some fire in the Brugha. IPLCS was 2008

    14bs for Magnums - what year
    Magnum (light operational boot) was after issue of DPMs. Can’t remember how long after

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    Magnum (light operational boot) was after issue of DPMs. Can’t remember how long after
    I got them in 2008. After the 25Bs. There was something in between though. Only went to those going overseas. Weighed a tonne. (Not Haix).
    I spotted a photo of one of the Spike Island displays recently and it reminded me of my first kit issue in 1988.
    SD1 (Maroon Epaulettes). Boots 24B (1 pair). Ear Plugs (in carrying container- don't ask for spares). 1 (ancient) first field dressing, which was about 4 times the size of the current FFD. Beret & Cap Badge. Command Flash. (You had to buy your own Unit flash back then, but my unit had a few financial "irregularities" in later years so not sure how legal any of that was exactly. I got issued a 2nd pair of 24B in 1990, and I still have them.
    When I rejoined with a different unit and a different number in 1999 everything had changed. Working dress only until you finished recruit training, at which point No1 SD was issued (there was a shortage of SD then. On my Pots course in 2001 only half the class had SD1. When I should have got SD1 I got Combats instead.(OG). We got DPM the same time as we got the Steyr (unless you were an officer, for some reason it took them much longer to get DPM).
    Fair to say most of us already had private purchase Norgie shirts(worn under jumper) by the time we were issued them. Unfortunately nobody was willing to enforce how they should have been worn and when I left as a Sgt in 2011 I hated the sight of them. Great for throwing on when you are on the ground sitting about, but try to explain that to the young guy (or girl) who insists on wearing it as an outer layer 365 days of the year. Impossible to enforce when some officers would wear them all day long, whether in uniform or not. Trying to explain the difference between the Q wearing his Fleece as an outer layer in his office was not the same as them wearing their Norge as an outer layer in a class.
    The USMC have the right idea. Here is a video on youtube showing you how to dress yourself, because we already assume you don't know how to.
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    The 25B's were the old "Operational Boots" introduced in 1993/4.(See November 1994 An Cosantoir) These lasted up to 2001 when the Matterhorn Operational boots went on general issue.Replaced in 2004 by the Haix.
    The 24B's were the old Barrack Boots. Replaced for overseas use (UNMIL at First) in 2003 by the Magnum Amazons.The Amazons went on general issue as the "Barrack Boot Light operational" in 2006/7 and were replaced by the current Magnum Vipers around 2010/11.
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    Matterhorns, yes, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    The 25B's were the old "Operational Boots" introduced in 1993/4.(See November 1994 An Cosantoir) These lasted up to 2001 when the Matterhorn Operational boots went on general issue.Replaced in 2004 by the Haix.
    The 24B's were the old Barrack Boots. Replaced for overseas use (UNMIL at First) in 2003 by the Magnum Amazons.The Amazons went on general issue as the "Barrack Boot Light operational" in 2006/7 and were replaced by the current Magnum Vipers around 2010/11.
    The Amazons were issued to Timor bound troops before UNMIL was on the cards if I remember correctly.

    They may have been a different version as I think they had a reinforced sole for jungles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    The Amazons were issued to Timor bound troops before UNMIL was on the cards if I remember correctly.

    They may have been a different version as I think they had a reinforced sole for jungles
    Nope.Not Magnums. Actual US made Jungle boots.Altama I believe and yes they had the standard steel shank in the sole along with drainage eyelets.
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