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Regimentals are regularly (i.e most weeks) undertaken by RDF in my location, I have heard of no fuss.
As to the question of RDF-friendly versions of certain syllabi there is an open mind and a willingness to look at cases, in my experience."Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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Originally posted by trellheim View PostRegimentals are regularly (i.e most weeks) undertaken by RDF in my location, I have heard of no fuss.
As to the question of RDF-friendly versions of certain syllabi there is an open mind and a willingness to look at cases, in my experience.
I attended a number of cavalry corps courses in my time. Normally full time courses in the region of 10 weeks duration.
With the cooperation of our colleagues the PDF instructors, the curriculum was broken into a combination of weekends and classrooms on parade nights. We covered all the course work and on both occasions qualified after being tested by the same people who assessed our colleagues in the PDF.
It can be done, if people want it to be done. It may take longer than the PDF counterpart, but in my experience anyone willing g to commit to the RDF will happily give however much time is necessary to.become a more useful asset within the organisation.
I started my DR 154 course in the dark nights of February. We threw every weekend and parade night at it until our assessment in June. It can be done. I'm sure someone here can tell me how long the course should take in the PDF.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by Bravo20 View PostI am always fascinated at this being used as an excuse not to use RDF. It is as if a member of the PDF never failed to turn up for a duty before and that contingency plans aren't in place to deal with just such an eventuality.
What would be interesting to add to this statement would be that the percentage of RDF members tasked with a duty that didn't show up. Is it 50%, 25%, 5% or did it just happen the once.
Despite assertions that RDF pers can just be charged if they don't show up.That's fine in theory but in practice is often unworkable. How many RDF sub unit commanders have the knowledge and experience to deal with orders? Let's face it they may hear them once in their time in appointment,if at all. So most avoid them like the plague as the potential for a legal foul up is high if you don't know what you are doing.
PDF Officers would expect a defaulter to show up for orders during working hours.Would they even show up?Who is going to compel them? RDF are only covered by Military law during training not 24/7 like the PDF. But of course we all know this already.
Simply put. PDF Officers and SNCO's traditionally did not trust RDF pers to show up for important tasks as there was no real sanction they could hit them with if they didn't. That is changing slowly,mainly due to AR pers being increasingly more reliable but all it takes if one rogue element to not bother to show up and it undo's all the hardwork of those who do."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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People keep saying that they don't trust RDF to show up for duties yet evidence shows that they do time and time again. I could say that it is more likely that a PDF person would fail to turn up for a duty but that would be stating something without any actual evidence
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Originally posted by Bravo20 View PostPeople keep saying that they don't trust RDF to show up for duties yet evidence shows that they do time and time again. I could say that it is more likely that a PDF person would fail to turn up for a duty but that would be stating something without any actual evidence
However the fact remains that there is very very little you can do if a rostered RDF member fails to show up. Old school Officers and SNCO's are only too aware of this and perhaps have been burned in the past. So unfortunately the attitude still exists in some quarters.
You can think what you like but that's the simple truth.Right or wrong."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by Auldsod View PostIt would be of course impossible to qualify fully in the other branches of the NS. Then again, NSR personnel can only go far in the seaman's branch being able to possible cover the basic and intermediate task performed by an A/Sea.
I have wondered why a similarly basic level of training couldn't be achived as a Commop or Supply. There are AR CIS units and clearly they are never going to be able to spend the same time in role or go on the same courses as their PDF counterparts.
The NSR is receiving more opportunities of late with regards courses being run and training but it will need to prove itself. If even more fresh enthusiastic blood joins in the next few recruitment campaigns, who knows what could happen....
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThe contribution from the Naval officer about the international importance of protecting the undersea cables on the west coast was discussed in the Dail yesterday.
The minister responded by suggesting it was the responsibility of AGS or the Dept of Communications...
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostKeep in mind, 10 weeks training usually amounts to a total of 50 days. Which could translate to 20 weekends, plus 2 weeks full time training. It can be done if the will is there.
Part one: 20 training nights at your local unit, or weekends at other units all across the UK. This basic phase covers naval knowledge, parade training and building your physical fitness.
Part two: 2 weeks of training at HMS Raleigh in Cornwall, covering weapon handling, sea survival swimming and an overnight exercise on Dartmoor. For an officer role, this period of training will take place at Britannia Royal Naval College (BRNC).
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThis is similar to how the Royal Navy Reserve do things, they have:
Part one: 20 training nights at your local unit, or weekends at other units all across the UK. This basic phase covers naval knowledge, parade training and building your physical fitness.
Part two: 2 weeks of training at HMS Raleigh in Cornwall, covering weapon handling, sea survival swimming and an overnight exercise on Dartmoor. For an officer role, this period of training will take place at Britannia Royal Naval College (BRNC).
A training course covering something as technical as communications would need to be highly regimented in organistation even missing one weekend could result in missing far too much much important information. There is a course I was hoping to do this year and it is a week's full time training and four weekends. I can't make one day unfortunately and I'm out - fair enough. It's an intense course.
I still think getting as much residential training FT is best. Of course there is the issue of employment protection, loss of salary if you earn more than your reserve pay and the number of man days allowed. Huge elephant in room.
@ancientmariner has mentioned how there should be full employment protection. However, in the modern working enviroment while you could provide broad employment protection, the reality is that an employee walking into their employer and saying they will be gone for for 3-6 months is career suicide even if there is a job to come back to. This isn't the US where reservists still face issues with employers considering the protections in place and the greater respect for the military.
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Originally posted by batterysgt View PostCan you not make up the day? Seems possible in other weekend courses such as last RDF modular driving course, they could make up the time if they missed.
I've completed a recent RDF driving course and had to make up days for that. More than possible on said course and I passed but apples and oranges.
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