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  • This is the RFP stage, hasn’t gone to RFT (stage 2) yet afaik

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    • When an individual or a party orders an aircraft, they are essentially buying a slot on the production line. After all the handshakes and photographs are done, the manufacturer and the buyer get down to the serious business of actually specifying the genuine fit out (sometimes, the RFP is a bit of educated guesswork) and the real world cost of buying a low-volume run of two or three aircraft. You don't get the production slot unless you have put down at least 10 or 20 % to confirm the order and they won't cut metal until more money is placed in a secure account, to prove that you are serious about buying the aircraft. Some of the haggling that goes on for aircraft sales wouldn't be unfamiliar to a horse dealer at Ballinasloe Fair. Production slots are also traded (kind of like millionaires buying and selling unbuilt Ferraris) and it's not unknown for a manufacturer to shunt a smaller buyer to the back of the queue to satisfy a larger deal for a bigger customer. So, the Casa you get on Day 1 may not be exactly what you ordered and really wanted by the aircrew and mechs, but it may have to do until the Mk 2 or 3 clears testing and actually flies and gets delivered. It's very interesting when you get behind the facade of glamourous photo ops and advertising brochures to see what really goes on.

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      • The UK swapped production slots of the F-35 with Israel - they wanted airframes asap, we didn't need them at that point because a) we were inbedded in the US testing programme and were getting crew training for free, and b) the carrier's weren't ready to take them. Both sides happy...

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        • Contracted signed for 2 x C295

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          • For €220 million.
            The Air Corps is set to receive two new Maritime Patrol Aircraft after Defence Minister Paul Kehoe signed off on a €220 million contract for delivery.

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            • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
              Doesn't 220 mill for 2 seem a bit much?

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              • Depends on the sensor fit, fact it is removable (could include air ambulance pallets, airline type seating pallets), PBH contract, options for more aircraft, etc etc

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                • Originally posted by Rocinante View Post
                  Doesn't 220 mill for 2 seem a bit much?
                  Yes if it is the flyaway cost.
                  However often the headline cost is the project cost and includes training, spares, upgrades, service etc, etc. This additions can bring the cost to double the flyaway cost.

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                  • And it includes VAT

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                    • It's probably a full service package for 20 years; every C-check, every upgrade, every repaint,etc,etc. Essentially, all the AC will have to do is turn up and fly it. About 60 million accounts for the two aircraft, just as standard turboprops, but no-one pays brochure price for aircraft, so the bulk of what's paid is for the services, the avionic upgrades, training,etc.

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                      • A few more reports on this:

                        The Air Corps is set to receive two new Maritime Patrol Aircraft after Defence Minister Paul Kehoe signed off on a €220 million contract for delivery.


                        The project will be part-funded by the European Maritime and Fisheries Fund Operational Programme, co-funded by the Government and the European Union.
                        So I wonder what's the break down between the Irish contribution and the EU one?

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          https://twitter.com/donlav/status/11...420878856?s=21

                          DoD have selected preferred bidder (not revealed)

                          Don Lavery says it is C295
                          Don was bang on
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Two Airframes, was the option for a third quietly dropped?

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              Don was bang on
                              To be fair, wasn't the going view that it was going to be the 295 for quite sometime?

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                Don was bang on
                                Christ almighty.

                                Anyone who was within about 5 degrees of separation of anyone who worked in the AC knew the end result quite some time ago. Don has hit the jackpot and found himself someone who can't hold their piss and now it's an "exclusive". Give me a break.

                                Any word from Don on those 100 SCAR rifles that were procured and in use by the DF in Mali?

                                No? I didn't think so.

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