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  • Coming back to fixed vs rotary; if we did want to buy then it is still very much a buyer's market. Back in 2018 Airbus sold 21 re-purposed H225s to Ukraine. They had been taken out of offshore service and refitted to a common military standard. The Don was always hot for the Puma, so maybe a few of its grandchild Cougar (H225) would sweeten the pill.

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    • Pilots.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • A quick video of the Short field performance of the PC-12.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          Coming back to fixed vs rotary; if we did want to buy then it is still very much a buyer's market. Back in 2018 Airbus sold 21 re-purposed H225s to Ukraine. They had been taken out of offshore service and refitted to a common military standard. The Don was always hot for the Puma, so maybe a few of its grandchild Cougar (H225) would sweeten the pill.
          The same H225s that nobody wanted and had lost the confidence of those expected to fly on them because they kept falling out of the sky?

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          • The Puma morphed into something that was neither fish nor fowl; it got too powerful to land on smaller oil platforms and was a menace to soldiers on land with the downwash and allegedly, the tail rotor gearbox was never strong enough for more powerful engines. The Puma of the 80s was highly regarded because it was a very good combination of size and power versus lifting ability, could fit into fairly small hangars and was easy to keep operational in the field so it was no wonder that it truly sold like hot cakes. It would have been fantastic for the DF if we had a few. What was ironic was that when the Don pleaded for airlift like the Puma and always got refused, the same State had no problem funding Bell 212s for Irish Helicopters, then an arm of the State and occasionally, leasing in heavier iron for odd jobs.

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            • One of yours?



              10.24 Weds 08 Apr

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              • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                The Puma morphed into something that was neither fish nor fowl; it got too powerful to land on smaller oil platforms and was a menace to soldiers on land with the downwash and allegedly, the tail rotor gearbox was never strong enough for more powerful engines. The Puma of the 80s was highly regarded because it was a very good combination of size and power versus lifting ability, could fit into fairly small hangars and was easy to keep operational in the field so it was no wonder that it truly sold like hot cakes. It would have been fantastic for the DF if we had a few. What was ironic was that when the Don pleaded for airlift like the Puma and always got refused, the same State had no problem funding Bell 212s for Irish Helicopters, then an arm of the State and occasionally, leasing in heavier iron for odd jobs.
                Didn't IH have a passenger S61 for years just to crew the offshore rigs. A green painted version could have saved countless lives around our coast at the same time. Instead the govt was happy to leave yellow and grey ones from the UK do the job. Priorities.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                  One of yours?

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                  10.24 Weds 08 Apr
                  Link no work :( Can you embed the image please? ????

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                  • No idea how...

                    Anyway, while perusing ASDB Flight Tracker this morning I saw IRL280 Irish Air Corps flying over Oxfordshire at 22,000ft doing 180kts.

                    I assumed it was a CASA doing a patient transfer, but Google tells me that 280 is a PC-12 you've just bought....

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                    • Yeah, they are fairly racking up the airmiles on that since delivery. Great to see.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Maybe they can get in ahead of Aer Lingus and Ryanair when services resume and offer charter flights like this for cash !
                        More seriously, the video does have good footage of cockpit and cabin.

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                        • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                          No idea how...

                          Anyway, while perusing ASDB Flight Tracker this morning I saw IRL280 Irish Air Corps flying over Oxfordshire at 22,000ft doing 180kts.

                          I assumed it was a CASA doing a patient transfer, but Google tells me that 280 is a PC-12 you've just bought....
                          Sorry for the slow reply to your message above ropebag, thanks for the information. Think this message with the flightradar track on the PPRUNE board might have been what you were pointing too

                          * https://www.pprune.org/spectators-ba...58-irl280.html

                          Great to see the new bus out and about, have seen it around Kildare almost everyday this week. A Facebook post about the new aircraft from the Dutch Scramble spotters website, and nice pic of her on approach to Aldergrove a few days ago

                          * https://www.facebook.com/Scramblemag...33506116675897
                          * https://www.v1images.com/product/iri...tus-pc-12-280/

                          Safe flying, and remember to was your hands before and after use
                          Last edited by meridian; 10 April 2020, 18:51. Reason: Update URL

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            An ex-Cityjet (donated) RJ85 arrived at Baldonnel today to be decommissioned and used for ground training
                            It might not be for fire fighting training but a new toy for the Beardies (I know we all have beards now) to practice aircraft hostage rescue situations. Or for the training of sniffer dogs either for drugs or explosives.

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                            • Originally posted by ias View Post
                              Maybe they should try to keep it airworthy for another four months just in case they need it to repatriate the troops from Syria and Lebanon in August (contingency in case the normal carrier's aircraft are still grounded). On a side note, I've always felt our lack of transport aircraft have left our overseas troops somewhat exposed.
                              Planes aren’t grounded (by authorities) there is no demand

                              UN has banned troop rotations for the time being

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                              • Originally posted by ias View Post
                                Maybe they should try to keep it airworthy for another four months just in case they need it to repatriate the troops from Syria and Lebanon in August (contingency in case the normal carrier's aircraft are still grounded). On a side note, I've always felt our lack of transport aircraft have left our overseas troops somewhat exposed.
                                Nice idea but unless you can pull type rated crew from somewhere at short notice you couldn't fly it. Unless you recruit type rated ex IAC crew on a part time first line reserve arrangement. Given the appointment of an examiner to CityJet yesterday they may soon be looking for work.

                                Without knowing the particular airframe, there may indeed be some life in it but the planned decommissioning over the next few weeks probably involves stripping every saleable non expired part.

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