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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostNo reason to refuse a spare aircraft at a reasonable price.
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The whole episode gives a good insight into the failings of the DoD higher levels. It is a picture where those lower down have more a grasp of the integrated strategic picture than those at the top who should be the ones with that capability.
It seems that the GS made it clear he only wanted one aircraft and his direct reports went and got the case for that. Looking at some of the pro and cons it is easy to pick them aparts.
"Issues with suppliers and sub-supplier due to Covid-19"
The aircraft were completed and were not waiting on any part. And while 2 aircraft will in the long runs have a higher spares consumption than 1, in the short term having two means that one can always be kept flying. One is the flying machine and the other is the source of parts until a replacement can be sourced. With only one aircraft you are dependent on a parts supplier!
"Hangar space"
While it is good to keep aircraft in hangars and it is more comfortable to work on aircraft in hangars they are not mandatory. An aircraft can spend on the ramp, techies can work outside especially if the weather is good. But if it is really necessary a quick call to the RAF and we could have sourced one of their deployable shelter hangars!
"Lack of strategic thing"
The private air ambulance service which costs €7m over 2yrs for emergency night patient transport is mentioned but does not seem to have been taken into account (maybe it was redacted). But the State is paying a lot for a night cover and if there was some joined up strategic thinking the second aircraft might have allowed for the private contract to be replaced when it was up for renewal.
Secondly it was raised that the DoH and the Gardai would have use for the aircraft beyond the Covid-19 crisis but there was little discussion on this.
"Resources"
There were two items that got my attention, the first of which was that the costs were within the capital budget but that even if they were not the aircraft could be financed by the monies that would be available due to the under manning of the DF's. The second was the admission that the AC was 200 under the target establishment of 880. To be remembered that the 880 establishment does not really account for the resources needed to support the EAS mission.
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Isn't the AW139 in Athlone living in a tent? And heli's as a rule are more sensitive to weather than most fixed wing, and I'm sure the Royal Flying Doctor service who use the PC12 in the bush, don't park them in Hangars every night?For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostThis may not be a popular opinion but while the museum inhabits a hangar it cannot be said that there is insufficient hangar space.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by Pegasus View Post"Fair Point. If you need space, the museum can go into temporary storage."
Hopefully, not into a bin.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View Postassume they are kept in the last of the WW1 vintage hangars? If so then knock it down, make it bigger, put modern aircraft in the new part.
You can however throw plenty of money at it to make it fit for purpose.
The officers mess in McKee being a prime example.
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That whole argument about listed hangars was why the plan to build the new museum was created. Public access to the current museum is restricted because it's still open to the airside, so people can only go in there on a guided tour. Because of Covid, all civilian access to the Museum is stopped and the normal availability of tours of the rest of the place is stopped.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostOk. I'm looking for solutions. What is the VIP lounge that is just about airside used for now? Next to the new new hangar.
Knock it. Build a proper hangar on the footprint occupied by lawn and car park.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out what the optimum choice of location is given some of the existing infrastructure which exists.
The museum is great for the handful of hobbyists which tend to it on a part time basis. The reality is that it takes up a large amount of real estate that could be better utilised.
I understand that the historians/hobbyists will likely object to this but a museum has no place airside for a multitude of reasons.
Throw up a few tents and find space for it in Collins.
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