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    Operation Sophia / EUNAVFOR MED

    I see according to Marine Traffic, P61 is at anchor near Palermo in a place called Tonnarella Del Uzzo. Awaiting her relief for handover id imagine.

    P62 is about a days steam from Sicily as well.P61.jpg

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    They usually meet up around gibraltar

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    Quote Originally Posted by restless View Post
    They usually meet up around gibraltar
    That was Op PONTUS.

    Id imagine the OHQ of Op Sophia calls the shots now so prob a handover in theatre now.

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    Pontus hq ports also seemed to be more Malta based, while Sophia seems to be more Sicily or Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Pontus hq ports also seemed to be more Malta based, while Sophia seems to be more Sicily or Italy.

    PONTUS was an Irish mission so no real HQ, but the AFM provided support AFAIK.
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    I see Mellet and Varadkar paid a visit to Sophia HQ today.

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    Weekly message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herald View Post
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    Politics is what it is and Governments evolve from the decisions of the community at the ballot box. However we are being assailed by domestic and global problems that are eating up the tolerance and ability to cope both at National and EU levels. The world is in crisis shaken by the actions of the Bigger Five and the aggressive stance of National Governments to the plight of the Middle East and the African Continent.
    We have seen nothing yet unless countries are stabilized and released from perpetual War , starvation, and a National fabric capable of giving normal life to their peoples. The UN must be reorganised to give greater oversight on National Governance with emphasis on an Early Warning System on Governments likely to collapse. Our actions in OPS' Sophia and Pontus were/are dealing with fallout and must in the medium term continue unless we are happy to allow loss of life to do the job for us, even though the victims may not have decided to make the trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Politics is what it is and Governments evolve from the decisions of the community at the ballot box. However we are being assailed by domestic and global problems that are eating up the tolerance and ability to cope both at National and EU levels. The world is in crisis shaken by the actions of the Bigger Five and the aggressive stance of National Governments to the plight of the Middle East and the African Continent.
    We have seen nothing yet unless countries are stabilized and released from perpetual War , starvation, and a National fabric capable of giving normal life to their peoples. The UN must be reorganised to give greater oversight on National Governance with emphasis on an Early Warning System on Governments likely to collapse. Our actions in OPS' Sophia and Pontus were/are dealing with fallout and must in the medium term continue unless we are happy to allow loss of life to do the job for us, even though the victims may not have decided to make the trip.
    Our P62 James Joyce will be in Cobh Roads at 11.00ish today 27th October 2018 having completed her mission on Mediterranean Operation Sophia. Imagine 4 x 90 meter ships all of same class in our challenged Navy. Some major initiatives to be planned and also get ready for the next rotation in 2019.

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    Irish Navy's Mediterranean mission in doubt as Germany pulls out of Operation Sophia

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/iris...fence-13929399

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    Wonder what the odds of the other missions are? I mean we were looking at deploying to the Africa mission before we did the Med?

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    There could yet be a similar mission in St Georges Channel if brexit goes no-deal...
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    Time to circle the wagons and look after the crews ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmitÃ* View Post
    There could yet be a similar mission in St Georges Channel if brexit goes no-deal...
    And Lough Foyle

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    EU to end ship patrols in scaled down Operation Sophia

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/jus...ration-sophia/

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    According to the Indo article, Eithne was due to go back to the Med at the "end of the month"
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37958639.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    According to the Indo article, Eithne was due to go back to the Med at the "end of the month"
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37958639.html
    No doubt air patrols will find distressed sundry craft between N.Africa and S.European mainland. What is the plan then or is it only -swim, sink, or the Libyan C.G. The Media will emphasise losses with pictures of casualties and everybody will blame someone else.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47730693

    . Malta's armed forces have taken control of a tanker which had been seized by migrants off the coast of Libya on Wednesday.

    The tanker, Elhiblu 1, is now heading to a Maltese port with the crew and migrants, who will be handed over to police.

    More than 100 migrants who had been rescued by the ship hijacked it after being told they would return to Libya.

    They had ordered the ship's captain to head north towards Europe.

    In a statement, the Armed Forces of Malta (AFM) said they had established communications with the captain of the ship when it was still proceeding towards Malta.

    The captain said he was not in control of the vessel and that he and his crew were being forced and threatened by a number of migrants to proceed to Malta.

    A patrol vessel stopped the tanker from entering Maltese territorial waters, and a special operations unit team was dispatched to board and secure the vessel, the AFM said in a statement.

    EU naval mission 'failed to end people smuggling'
    Mediterranean migrant crossings 'deadlier than ever'
    Sharp fall in illegal migration to EU
    The man behind Italy's migrant drop
    Italy's interior minister, Matteo Salvini, had earlier called the migrants "pirates" and said they would not be allowed to dock in Italy.

    He described the act as "the first piracy on the high seas with migrants", according to the Associated Press news agency.

    The incident comes as the EU says it is ending navy patrols in the Mediterranean.

    The EU says the decision to suspend Operation Sophia in September follows a request by Italy.

    The mission was put in place four years ago to deter people smugglers and rescue migrants trying to reach Europe by boat. Tens of thousands have been saved.

    Lately, the mission has largely targeted smuggling networks as the number of people making the crossing dropped sharply following a controversial deal between the EU and Libya.

    But Mr Salvini, the leader of the right-wing League party, has blamed Operation Sophia for continuing to bring rescued migrants to Italian shores.

    He has been at the centre of a number of international row over his refusal to allow migrant ships dock in Italian ports.
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    So who is going to enforce the arms and oil embargo?

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    NS should be looking to either use the time for improving the lot of the sailors at home (plus Brexit is coming) or putting a small mobile training team on the ground in a friendly secure country (as part of Op Sophia, as other countries currently do). Doesn’t have to be permanent either (could be a few weeks at a time).

    Afaik there are no EU forces on the ground in Libya

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    NS should be looking to either use the time for improving the lot of the sailors at home (plus Brexit is coming) or putting a small mobile training team on the ground in a friendly secure country (as part of Op Sophia, as other countries currently do). Doesn’t have to be permanent either (could be a few weeks at a time).

    Afaik there are no EU forces on the ground in Libya
    The difficulty in fragile states like Libya, and Somalia is that training teams will be dealing with the same pack of cards and will be training former pirates or smugglers to do things better and more effectively. The region remains unstable and not on anybody's holiday itinerary. Political stability is a prerequisite to normality or getting things done. When politics fails chaos ensues as in Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The difficulty in fragile states like Libya, and Somalia is that training teams will be dealing with the same pack of cards and will be training former pirates or smugglers to do things better and more effectively. The region remains unstable and not on anybody's holiday itinerary. Political stability is a prerequisite to normality or getting things done. When politics fails chaos ensues as in Brexit.
    Apart form which if you had training teams in such staes then they would need protection forces as well I would have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The difficulty in fragile states like Libya, and Somalia is that training teams will be dealing with the same pack of cards and will be training former pirates or smugglers to do things better and more effectively. The region remains unstable and not on anybody's holiday itinerary. Political stability is a prerequisite to normality or getting things done. When politics fails chaos ensues as in Brexit.
    Op Sophia has been training and equipping the Libyan Coast Guard for a good while now but you have a point, it is also important that the Government doesn’t control the whole country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    According to the Indo article, Eithne was due to go back to the Med at the "end of the month"
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37958639.html
    What effect will this decision have on the MRV plans?
    Time for another break I think......

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