Who owns the ferry terminal now? I see the Irish Lights vessel ties up there on Google Streetview. Given it's life is over as a ferryport, what plan is there for the terminal building?
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Given that the Dun Laoghaire Masterplan was to build a "Cruise Terminal" it might just be time to have the NS jump in. With the coronavirus crisis the cruise industry has been hit even more than the airline industry and will take much longer to come back. Therefore Dun Laoghaire needs something new, the NS taking over Carlisle Pier would bring a replacement revenue stream for the Harbour.
Alternative mooring locations would be Arklow, the North Quay or Drogheda as the shallow water and viaduct would not be an issue for 40-50m patrol craft.
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Howth, like Dun Laogharie also has the DART within walking distance of their harbours for easy access to both mainline train stations in Dublin , a consideration if a system of rotating crews were to be used , Howth also has a combi lift if these vessels need to be dry docked for maintenance .Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostGiven that the Dun Laoghaire Masterplan was to build a "Cruise Terminal" it might just be time to have the NS jump in. With the coronavirus crisis the cruise industry has been hit even more than the airline industry and will take much longer to come back. Therefore Dun Laoghaire needs something new, the NS taking over Carlisle Pier would bring a replacement revenue stream for the Harbour.
Alternative mooring locations would be Arklow, the North Quay or Drogheda as the shallow water and viaduct would not be an issue for 40-50m patrol craft.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostGiven that the Dun Laoghaire Masterplan was to build a "Cruise Terminal" it might just be time to have the NS jump in. With the coronavirus crisis the cruise industry has been hit even more than the airline industry and will take much longer to come back. Therefore Dun Laoghaire needs something new, the NS taking over Carlisle Pier would bring a replacement revenue stream for the Harbour.
Alternative mooring locations would be Arklow, the North Quay or Drogheda as the shallow water and viaduct would not be an issue for 40-50m patrol craft.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostNO revenue stream for a STATE Ship in a State acquired Berth. CIL homeport their ship at Dunlaoghaire and may have it at a pro bono rate. No National Navy should pay for its berthage in defence of the State.
The CIL have been resident there for a long time and where already there when the port was handed to DLRCC, thus they will have already had arrangements in place. The NS was not resident and thus would have to negotiate new arrangements. I totally agree that ports and NS access to port should be handled at a national level with a proper strategy but that does sadly not happen. This should however not stop the NS from finding a suitable arrangement with DLRCC or going north or south to another suitable port on the east coast.
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The NS doesn't have to pay for berthage in Haulbowline, or should it in any port in Ireland. It is not a commercial body. No different to expecting the GS arriving at a shopping centre to deal with shoplifters to pay for parking outside. Or expecting the Fire Brigade to pay water charges for using a hydrant to put out your fire.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostThe NS doesn't have to pay for berthage in Haulbowline, or should it in any port in Ireland. It is not a commercial body. No different to expecting the GS arriving at a shopping centre to deal with shoplifters to pay for parking outside. Or expecting the Fire Brigade to pay water charges for using a hydrant to put out your fire.
Nothing is for free, even the water in a fire hydrant (as well as the provision of said hydrant) has costs associated with it. This has been borne by the local authority who are also the ones who provide the fire service funding.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostNo berthage is for free, even in Haulbowline the NS has costs, in the latter case the upkeep of the facilities including thing like dredging of the basin. Dun Laoghaire port is no longer a state entity, it now belongs to DLRCC, and even I think this was a strategic mistake. But it is what it is and DLRCC run the port not for the benefit of the state but for DLR residents. So they will need some compensation, it can be in the form of a 99 year lease with DLRCC committed to ensuring the access. And outside such considerations there are the benefits from supporting a naval base no matter how small.
The CIL have been resident there for a long time and where already there when the port was handed to DLRCC, thus they will have already had arrangements in place. The NS was not resident and thus would have to negotiate new arrangements. I totally agree that ports and NS access to port should be handled at a national level with a proper strategy but that does sadly not happen. This should however not stop the NS from finding a suitable arrangement with DLRCC or going north or south to another suitable port on the east coast.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe penury of our Ports system is highlighted by the fact that providing a second permanent secure Naval Berth on the East Coast may be litigious . Dunlaoghaire has become a Marina and weeds are growing on what was once BR quays and rail links to the National system. The right of Government to allocate free Berths was rescinded in recent Harbour Acts, effectively making the Irish naval Service homeless and subject to allocation, or not, on the day of arrival, at all ports, other than the base at Haulbowline.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostIn the development of any major new port, the plans and feasibility must be done by PORT Design Engineering agencies. The depicted design is nuts with too much shoehorning of berths in the port area, such as having stern or bow berthing in the same linear area as alongside berthing. The new harbour will also need swell and weather break harbour walls. Irish developers NEVER use their own money so you never know who the eventual owner will be. All ports should be controlled by a national Ports Agency to oversee ongoing development. The Bremore Port depiction is a mini port for a couple of conventional ships and a few ro-ro's or Lo-Lo's. Fairy stories underweigh.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostI saw Johnny Ronan mentioned and stopped reading.
The Ports situation is also critical in that the range of berth choices is fast diminishing and essential repair facilities for larger vessels has been reduced to a single port.
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Not a salt water head by any means, but isn't Foynes a deep water port? Mind you, a major upgrade of the N69 would be needed for access to/from Limerick and hence to the national roads network"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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