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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Rail may or may not be efficient for LoLo:

    Especially with the move to JIT industry can’t wait
    All I can say is when it is safe take a trip around Europe, go to the big ports and you will see Container transport by rail at all.
    But they are not limited to rail they also make extensive use of coastal and inland waterways which if not available would push up the need for more rail transport.

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    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
      LoLo and container services may not be the same thing. LoLo is lift on and lift off by ships cranes ( such ships are described as Geared ships ). Container ships are generally gearless and are serviced by port container gantries that load directly to trucks/trains or to local container storage depots. Some older container ships were/are LoLo capable and would be around 15/20 years old but in general today's container ship is gearless and port dependent.
      Ok then either way. Rosslare doesn’t suit container traffic and Waterford already deals with container traffic

      Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      All I can say is when it is safe take a trip around Europe, go to the big ports and you will see Container transport by rail at all.
      But they are not limited to rail they also make extensive use of coastal and inland waterways which if not available would push up the need for more rail transport.
      Which have much higher volumes and much longer distances to travel

      A haulier can’t have a container anywhere in Ireland within a working day.

      There trains are also able to carry more. Max in Ireland is 42 TEUs, world average is 60
      Last edited by DeV; 4 July 2020, 10:21.

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Ok then either way. Rosslare doesn’t suit container traffic and Waterford already deals with container traffic



        Which have much higher volumes and much longer distances to travel

        A haulier can’t have a container anywhere in Ireland within a working day.

        There trains are also able to carry more. Max in Ireland is 42 TEUs, world average is 60
        Yes. You are absolutely right about Rail. In the old days National rail companies were big into shipping and its integration into the rail system. Places like the DPA plough a lone furrow as if the rest of the country was not the driver for it's existence.The main problem is lack of knowledge and care within the Marine Sector at the National level. I hope their plans (DPA) will make the berthage for 240m ships on the old oil berth sustainable in a Southerly force 10/12. There is no shelter to the south unless they build it. Also they must not squeeze the outlet for the Tolka.

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        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
          Of interest to current and future Naval operations is the adequacy of Irish ports to support general Naval deployments and operations. In the National Maritime policy documents and Harbour Acts together with the Mission of the Irish Maritime Development Office there is no mention of the existence of a navy and it's deployment needs in peace or war.
          There is also no mention of the need to provide for repair and maintenance of ships or the need to nurture and encourage a shipbuilding industry. In general our ports are in catharsis, getting rid of elements of traditional port usages , abandoning port areas to developers, and making little effort to provide for redacted facilities.
          In a nut shell we need ports not dependent on tides or lock gates, with unobstructed quay walls with depths ranging from 5m LWS to 12m LWS to accommodate most trades or visiting ships including Naval vessels.
          I was impressed to see the devlopment of Killybegs harbour with sufficient deep water berthage at 12m LWS to have TWO Cruise liners alongside, at the same time, and surprised not to see it listed as important in Government documents outlining the pecking order of Ports.
          Our Port development needs more control and oversight to maintain use by all types of ships and cargo including liquids. Care must be taken not to allow preemptive decisions that may exclude traditional use or exclude public access to visiting Naval Vessels
          The old Verholme Cork Dockyard is now emblazoned at it's entrance as DSG CORK TERMINAL. They also have taken an interest in Cobh, Fenit, Foynes, Killybegs, Derry, Belfast, Greenore, Dublin, and have offices in Far East including China. Ship repair is only offered at Cork.

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          • It took long enough for Doyles to realise they had to spend any money at Verolme. They repainted all their tugs too.
            It is being used frequently by Leibherr for assembly of dockside cranes, ironically, having no dockside cranes itself.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Brittany Ferries launched their 2021 sailing schedule today and it includes an additional weekly sailing from Cork to Roscoff on Wednesday's , departing Ringaskiddy at 16.00hrs arriving Roscoff at 08.00hrs the following day , this will be a seasonal service like the Pont Aven running from March to October and will serviced by the Brittany Ferries cruise ferry Armorique . The inbound sailing departs Roscoff on Tuesday's at 19:30hrs arriving Ringaskiddy on Wednesday's at 09:30hrs .
              Last edited by Laners; 15 July 2020, 17:43.
              Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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              • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                Brittany Ferries launched their 2021 sailing schedule today and it includes an additional weekly sailing from Cork to Roscoff on Wednesday's , departing Ringaskiddy at 16.00hrs arriving Roscoff at 08.00hrs the following day , this will be a seasonal service like the Pont Aven running from March to October and will serviced by the Brittany Ferries cruise ferry Armorique . The inbound sailing departs Roscoff on Tuesday's at 19:30hrs arriving Ringaskiddy on Wednesday's at 09:30hrs .
                Brexit related?

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                • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                  Brittany Ferries launched their 2021 sailing schedule today and it includes an additional weekly sailing from Cork to Roscoff on Wednesday's , departing Ringaskiddy at 16.00hrs arriving Roscoff at 08.00hrs the following day , this will be a seasonal service like the Pont Aven running from March to October and will serviced by the Brittany Ferries cruise ferry Armorique . The inbound sailing departs Roscoff on Tuesday's at 19:30hrs arriving Ringaskiddy on Wednesday's at 09:30hrs .
                  The first Armoique was the First Brittany Ferries ship to serve the Cork to France route, back in the 70s. The modern ship is a fine vessel, hopefully more reliable than Pont Aven in recent years. Armorique is somewhere between the truck ferry that Kerry was and the Cruise ferry PA is in terms of comfort. The clientele using Cork won't mind as much as those from the sarf of engerland who did not enjoy it on the Plymouth-Roscoff route.
                  Pont aven still summer season only until October, both ships rejoin from March twice a week. It will suite the traveller heading to the campsites in France, where bookings are usually from Saturday to saturday. PA meant they lost the first and last day of their booking.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    The first Armoique was the First Brittany Ferries ship to serve the Cork to France route, back in the 70s. The modern ship is a fine vessel, hopefully more reliable than Pont Aven in recent years. Armorique is somewhere between the truck ferry that Kerry was and the Cruise ferry PA is in terms of comfort. The clientele using Cork won't mind as much as those from the sarf of engerland who did not enjoy it on the Plymouth-Roscoff route.
                    Pont aven still summer season only until October, both ships rejoin from March twice a week. It will suite the traveller heading to the campsites in France, where bookings are usually from Saturday to saturday. PA meant they lost the first and last day of their booking.
                    Unfortunately this new sailing does not solve the Sat to Sat campsite schedule or pretty much any holiday home lettings due to arriving in France on a Thursday and departing on a Tuesday . It works for the those who have their own holiday homes there ( me included ) .
                    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      It took long enough for Doyles to realise they had to spend any money at Verolme. They repainted all their tugs too.
                      It is being used frequently by Leibherr for assembly of dockside cranes, ironically, having no dockside cranes itself.
                      Other than Waterford and Rosslare harbour, Doyles are in all other ports North and South. The sudden blossoming of Doyles out of Cork is Finance driven. The question is whose Finance and the Office in Mainland China may be the answer. Harbours are a States responsibility, I hope they are keeping an eye on this one.

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                      • Office in China?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Burke Shipping group have an office in Shanghai.

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                          • Originally posted by Herald View Post
                            Burke Shipping group have an office in Shanghai.
                            As they are in the business of Chartering and Port agency, does that not just make good business sense?
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              As they are in the business of Chartering and Port agency, does that not just make good business sense?
                              No idea, Many Irish entities would have, and I'm not sure what the relationship is with DSG.

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                              • Looks like DSG also have an office in Vietnam.

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