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    RDF pay

    Just a question regarding RDF pay. After 14 days FTT, I was assuming that my pay would be two weeks of PDF pay at my rank multiplied by 90%? I'm looking at the post 2013 pay scales with effect from 01.01.18. I'm also aware that reservists are only ever paid on point one of the scale.

    My actual final gross pay seems closer to 87% of the PDF pay rate. Not sure what the extra 3% deducted is for. Problem is that the payslip just gives the gross amount and not the number if days it is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Just a question regarding RDF pay. After 14 days FTT, I was assuming that my pay would be two weeks of PDF pay at my rank multiplied by 90%? I'm looking at the post 2013 pay scales with effect from 01.01.18. I'm also aware that reservists are only ever paid on point one of the scale.

    My actual final gross pay seems closer to 87% of the PDF pay rate. Not sure what the extra 3% deducted is for. Problem is that the payslip just gives the gross amount and not the number if days it is for.

    RDF pay is the first point of the scale for that rank (I think there's seven pay points on the rank scale?) less 10% (as you say). Membership of RDFRA results in a 4.5% deduction from weekly pay. Are you an RDFRA member, by any chance? Although this deduction SHOULD show up on your payslip
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    Less PAYE, less USC, less welfare (€0.30 per week)

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    Deductions must be shown on the pay slip by law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Just a question regarding RDF pay. After 14 days FTT, I was assuming that my pay would be two weeks of PDF pay at my rank multiplied by 90%? I'm looking at the post 2013 pay scales with effect from 01.01.18. I'm also aware that reservists are only ever paid on point one of the scale.

    My actual final gross pay seems closer to 87% of the PDF pay rate. Not sure what the extra 3% deducted is for. Problem is that the payslip just gives the gross amount and not the number if days it is for.
    Did you get access to your payslip?


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    Hi All, thanks for the replies. I received access to my payslip and it does give my gross pay with no RDFRA deduction (even though I've requested to join).

    No sign of the welfare amount but I've been charged USC and PAYE. No PRSI as I'm class M. I guess I'll just have to give them a ring in Galway on Saturday. I'd be interested to see what the breakdown is. Same amount has been applied to a number of other DF members so want to make sure it's correct.

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    As far as I can figure
    https://www.defence.ie/en/strategy-p...tion/rates-pay

    A PDF recruit (enlisted today) gets € 390.31 there RDF gets € 351.27 a week as their basic line pay

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    They are actually on the LRA 2 set of scales as of 2018. i have a copy but no link unfortunately. A few euro more but calculation remains the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    RDF pay is the first point of the scale for that rank (I think there's seven pay points on the rank scale?) less 10% (as you say). Membership of RDFRA results in a 4.5% deduction from weekly pay. Are you an RDFRA member, by any chance? Although this deduction SHOULD show up on your payslip
    I joined the RDFRA but my understanding is that membership dues were 4.5% of one weeks pay for the year and not every week's pay. 4.5% would be a massive chunk otherwise....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    I joined the RDFRA but my understanding is that membership dues were 4.5% of one weeks pay for the year and not every week's pay. 4.5% would be a massive chunk otherwise....
    Correct

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    Looking into it a bit further now. I see I have received an allowance at a pre 2013 joining rate whilst it should be higher on the 2018 rate after the second increase from the Lansdowne road agreement. I'll assuming the RDF get all those in line with the PDF before the usual 10% reduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Looking into it a bit further now. I see I have received an allowance at a pre 2013 joining rate whilst it should be higher on the 2018 rate after the second increase from the Lansdowne road agreement. I'll assuming the RDF get all those in line with the PDF before the usual 10% reduction?
    What Allowance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    What Allowance?
    Naval pay is technically an allowance paid daily.

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    Actually, can anyone with an RDFRA connection or otherwise confirm if the RDF pay is based off the below pay scales less 10%?

    Or has RDFRA dropped the ball here and the RDF aren't getting the increases (after already taking the 10%)?

    http://www.military.ie/fileadmin/use...cales_LRA2.pdf

    UPDATE

    Just looked at the military.ie site and it seems the RDF is getting paid on an older scale which is possibly 90% of whatever pay was back in 2013 before any increases were given.

    Not sure if RDF members were calculating out there payslips but either we are getting paid incorrectly or the RDF hasn't got the same increases PDFORRA got for the PDF further increasing the pay gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Tried to contact and will try to contact again.

    Were you aware of this pay discrepancy DeV? I find it strange that members weren't questioning what they were getting paid against the actual scales and just accepting the amounts received were accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Actually, can anyone with an RDFRA connection or otherwise confirm if the RDF pay is based off the below pay scales less 10%?

    Or has RDFRA dropped the ball here and the RDF aren't getting the increases (after already taking the 10%)?

    http://www.military.ie/fileadmin/use...cales_LRA2.pdf

    UPDATE

    Just looked at the military.ie site and it seems the RDF is getting paid on an older scale which is possibly 90% of whatever pay was back in 2013 before any increases were given.

    Not sure if RDF members were calculating out there payslips but either we are getting paid incorrectly or the RDF hasn't got the same increases PDFORRA got for the PDF further increasing the pay gap.
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    I'm genuinely shocked that this wasn't noticed before. In my civilian employment, there would be staff up in arms if they were paid a cent less than entitled. Perhaps there has been more concern with RDF pay coming in at all rather than if it was correct.

    Can't find anything else on here so I'm going to keep chasing the official sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Or has RDFRA dropped the ball here and the RDF aren't getting the increases (after already taking the 10%)?
    It is RDFRA...what do you expect? They haven't updated their website since 2015.

    And you want to give them money?

    I put another one to you - everyone is entitled to Holiday Pay!

    Under the "Organisation of Working Time Act 1997", every employee of every type (part-time, Full Time or occasional) is entitled to at least 8% of their time spent in employment as annual leave. So, roughly, over a 2 week period of training, you are entitled to 0.8 days annual paid leave. Have you ever seen any of that money? Have you ever gotten paid leave in the RDF? That is another 8% that should be added to everyone's pay. There are many who have done far more than 2 weeks training and never received any annual leave or paid holidays.

    RDFRA were told about this at least 10 years ago. RDFRA have been continually told about this.

    Save your money, young man, and stay away from RDFRA.
    Last edited by Poiuyt; 5th November 2018 at 17:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    I put another one to you - everyone is entitled to Holiday Pay!

    Under the "Organisation of Working Time Act 1997", every employee of every type (part-time, Full Time or occasional) is entitled to at least 8% of their time spent in employment as annual leave. So, roughly, over a 2 week period of training, you are entitled to 0.8 days annual paid leave. Have you ever seen any of that money? Have you ever gotten paid leave in the RDF? That is another 8% that should be added to everyone's pay. There are many who have done far more than 2 weeks training and never received any annual leave or paid holidays.

    RDFRA were told about this at least 10 years ago. RDFRA have been continually told about this.

    Save your money, young man, and stay away from RDFRA.
    I actually know for a fact that British reservists get this but anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Tried to contact and will try to contact again.

    Were you aware of this pay discrepancy DeV? I find it strange that members weren't questioning what they were getting paid against the actual scales and just accepting the amounts received were accurate.


    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    I'm genuinely shocked that this wasn't noticed before. In my civilian employment, there would be staff up in arms if they were paid a cent less than entitled. Perhaps there has been more concern with RDF pay coming in at all rather than if it was correct.

    Can't find anything else on here so I'm going to keep chasing the official sources.
    I wasn’t aware

    It would help if:
    (a) the pay scales weren’t so complicated
    (b) they were kept up to date on the DoD & DF websites
    (c) if they took down old ones
    (d) your payslip actually said the dates and/or Mandays your being paid for
    (e) you were actually paid the day your supposed to be paid

    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    It is RDFRA...what do you expect? They haven't updated their website since 2015.

    And you want to give them money?

    I put another one to you - everyone is entitled to Holiday Pay!

    Under the "Organisation of Working Time Act 1997", every employee of every type (part-time, Full Time or occasional) is entitled to at least 8% of their time spent in employment as annual leave. So, roughly, over a 2 week period of training, you are entitled to 0.8 days annual paid leave. Have you ever seen any of that money? Have you ever gotten paid leave in the RDF? That is another 8% that should be added to everyone's pay. There are many who have done far more than 2 weeks training and never received any annual leave or paid holidays.

    RDFRA were told about this at least 10 years ago. RDFRA have been continually told about this.

    Save your money, young man, and stay away from RDFRA.
    Members of the DF are exempt from the Organisation of Working Time Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    I actually know for a fact that British reservists get this but anyway.
    only in the last few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Members of the DF are exempt from the Organisation of Working Time Act
    No, they are not exempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    No, they are not exempt.
    https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en...-Act-Guide.pdf

    I think the DF may be but that may change from what I've heard in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en...-Act-Guide.pdf

    I think the DF may be but that may change from what I've heard in the media.
    The DF are down as being exempt, but this was found to be unconstitutional and therefore incorrect. PDFORRA did their homework on this - RDFRA ignored it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    No, they are not exempt.
    100% correct.PDFORRA have taken cases to the High court recently,and won, based on the working time directive. DF Management is still trying to work out how to implement it,but they have no choice.They must.
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