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    I just found an old Jane's Pocket Book of mine from 1981: Armies of the World, and thought it would be interesting to see how some of the armies have changed in the last 40yrs.
    (Figures are rough and could be out of date for 2020 status)

    Australia
    1981 Army: 32300, Reserves: 23800
    2020 Army: 29511, Reserves: 18738

    Canada
    1981 Army: 28500, Reserves: 15200
    2020 Army: 23000, Reserves: 17000

    Ireland
    1981 Army: 13500, Reserves: 18600
    2020 Army: 7310, Reserves: 1840

    New Zealand
    1981 Army: 5600, Reserves: 1500, TA: 6000
    2020 Army: 4539, Reserves: 1569

    UK
    1981 Army: 160000, Reserves: 125000, TA 59000
    2020 Army: 75000, Reserves: 27250

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    I can't speak for any other country but Irish Army of 1981 has a very high age profile, with lots of very old privates hanging in there for the duration. It is deployed to numerous battalion sized units to protect the Border to the north, and much of its barracks and equipment is obsolete.
    The army Reserve of the same time is armed with a WW2 vintage rifle and LMG, It's cavalry use vehicles from the War of Independence, it's artillery has no guns to call their own, and it's transport corps consist mostly of people too young to drive. It has no combat uniform, and has only recently taken delivery of new SD1s. While it has large numbers on the books, it's active numbers would struggle to put together 1/3rd of it's strength at any time. I remember one Muster parade (prior to the Paddys day pissup/parade) our company managed to put 102 on parade, half of whom were recruits, most of the rest would not be seen until the following Paddy's Day. Age limits and medicals were a rubber stamp affair. Those who served ranged in age from 12-13 to unknown, I know that I served in 1988 with a Sgt who wore both a ONUC medal and an Emergency medal. Now my maths isn't great but.... My CO at the time had to retire early, because they realised as he had joined when he was 12, done a Pot NCO course at 15, Pot Offr course at 18 and had become CO when he was 21, and nobody had "realised the error" and corrected it when he became an Officer.
    The UKDF at the time was deployed far and wide in the remaining UK colonies, territories and of course BAOR, not to mention NI. Its Regular reserve was a paper army, designed to draw in specialised skills when needed, as well as former servicemen, and the TA was going through a position of Transition following a white paper of the 1960s, with no real identity, the regimental system having been abolished(temporarily).
    The numbers are only half the story.
    Now if only we had today what we are supposed to have in establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    I just found an old Jane's Pocket Book of mine from 1981: Armies of the World, and thought it would be interesting to see how some of the armies have changed in the last 40yrs.
    (Figures are rough and could be out of date for 2020 status)

    Australia
    1981 Army: 32300, Reserves: 23800
    2020 Army: 29511, Reserves: 18738

    Canada
    1981 Army: 28500, Reserves: 15200
    2020 Army: 23000, Reserves: 17000

    Ireland
    1981 Army: 13500, Reserves: 18600
    2020 Army: 7310, Reserves: 1840

    New Zealand
    1981 Army: 5600, Reserves: 1500, TA: 6000
    2020 Army: 4539, Reserves: 1569

    UK
    1981 Army: 160000, Reserves: 125000, TA 59000
    2020 Army: 75000, Reserves: 27250

    Is that Army numbers only or the entire DF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Is that Army numbers only or the entire DF?
    Only the Army numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Only the Army numbers
    Everybody implementing the Peace Dividend offered through Gorbachev but not noticing Putin, Ping, Jong Un, and steady hand Trump. Just a thought , why do we call our soldiers SAIGHDIUIR, it is an unpleasant title as it literally means STABBER. Surely we can do better like Cosantoir AND it would make the magazine relevant.

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    WHAT Magazine? It is being allowed to disappear next month.
    "105,000 dead. 40,000,000 unemployed. Police murdering African-Americans. You’ve completed you’re mission. You’ve made America great. Now get the f**k out."

    - Rob Reiner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    WHAT Magazine? It is being allowed to disappear next month.
    It is supposed to remain in online form (if they manage to find any staff to compile it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Only the Army numbers
    In today's Irish Examiner the recruiting Drive has been described as a pronounced Failure. I suspect, as with all Public Service Job Projects , it was DRIVERLESS and in the hands of naysayers. There was nothing flexible in assessment and selection as they managed to come up empty.
    The selection process needs to be driven at the uniform end with definitive lists passed to MOD for call up and travel vouchers as necessary. The Brits are taking back former service persons up to age 56. It won't work unless we do the call up for interview and also the selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    In today's Irish Examiner the recruiting Drive has been described as a pronounced Failure. I suspect, as with all Public Service Job Projects , it was DRIVERLESS and in the hands of naysayers. There was nothing flexible in assessment and selection as they managed to come up empty.
    The selection process needs to be driven at the uniform end with definitive lists passed to MOD for call up and travel vouchers as necessary. The Brits are taking back former service persons up to age 56. It won't work unless we do the call up for interview and also the selection.
    The Brits have been far more open minded with regards to recruitment. Technical positions in particular, people with technical aptitude but no qualifications were taken in and trained up to PO Technician grade on a short term contract. If you can make the fitness level appropriate to age, why not?
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    Interviews for re-enlistees took place in 1BDE during the week.
    "105,000 dead. 40,000,000 unemployed. Police murdering African-Americans. You’ve completed you’re mission. You’ve made America great. Now get the f**k out."

    - Rob Reiner.

    "Yes he's an idiot with zero common sense,and no social skills,but he IS my son.I just hope he never goes into politics.He'd be a disaster.

    - Mary Anne Trump

    #unfollowtrump

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