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  • #16
    Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    Not looking good at all :(
    You'd think with all the BREXIT nonsense on the horizon / border issues / potential border referendum that there would be much better pay and conditions on the way.

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    • #17
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #18
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        • #19
          RACO have voted to accept the offer

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          • #20
            The other option being......
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • #21
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              • #22
                Useful link.
                gov.ie - Routinely Published Information (www.gov.ie)
                Royal Navy Pay | Salaries & Benefits of Joining the Royal Navy (mod.uk)
                Worth comparing what we pay our recruits compared to what our nearest neighbours are offering their recruits (taking currency exchange into account.)
                Spoiler: We don't pay them well at all.
                Day 1, we pay €40 a week more than them.
                At end of recruit training we pay €10 more per week.
                Our CPL/LS gets €9 more than theirs (including MSA).
                Our Sgt/PO gets €60 less than them (including MSA).
                Our BSM/WO gets €200 less per week.
                RN also offer a HTB scheme giving a 0% loan for up to €25000, six weeks paid leave, with extra leave for seagoing appointments. Non Contrib pension

                Officers:
                Our cadets earn a whopping €12000 less per annum than theirs.
                Our Freshly commissioned officer earns €300 more, including MSA.
                Our qualified Sub Lt/Army 1st Lt earns €4000 more, including MSA.
                Best of all...
                Colonel/Captain here earns €2000 less than his UK counterpart.

                What I see as an issue is MSA, instead of actual pay increases are used. Why have a pay item as an allowance, if everyone gets it?
                Last edited by na grohmiti; 9 October 2021, 17:14.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  Useful link.
                  gov.ie - Routinely Published Information (www.gov.ie)
                  Royal Navy Pay | Salaries & Benefits of Joining the Royal Navy (mod.uk)
                  Worth comparing what we pay our recruits compared to what our nearest neighbours are offering their recruits (taking currency exchange into account.)
                  Spoiler: We don't pay them well at all.
                  Day 1, we pay €40 a week more than them.
                  At end of recruit training we pay €10 more per week.
                  Our CPL/LS gets €9 more than theirs (including MSA).
                  Our Sgt/PO gets €60 less than them (including MSA).
                  Our BSM/WO gets €200 less per week.
                  RN also offer a HTB scheme giving a 0% loan for up to €25000, six weeks paid leave, with extra leave for seagoing appointments. Non Contrib pension

                  Officers:
                  Our cadets earn a whopping €12000 less per annum than theirs.
                  Our Freshly commissioned officer earns €300 more, including MSA.
                  Our qualified Sub Lt/Army 1st Lt earns €4000 more, including MSA.
                  Best of all...
                  Colonel/Captain here earns €2000 less than his UK counterpart.

                  What I see as an issue is MSA, instead of actual pay increases are used. Why have a pay item as an allowance, if everyone gets it?
                  While they are our nearest neighbour, does it really make sense comparing the two? Wouldn't picking a nation more our size/gdp/gni figures to compare with make more sense?

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                  • #24
                    It definitely would, however I am looking at it from a potential new entrant perspective. (I'm not one of them of course). If the question is "does it pay more elsewhere, and the only place that would take an Irish school leaver is the UK, this is why I made that particular comparison.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Useful link.
                      gov.ie - Routinely Published Information (www.gov.ie)
                      Royal Navy Pay | Salaries & Benefits of Joining the Royal Navy (mod.uk)
                      Worth comparing what we pay our recruits compared to what our nearest neighbours are offering their recruits (taking currency exchange into account.)
                      Spoiler: We don't pay them well at all.
                      Day 1, we pay €40 a week more than them.
                      At end of recruit training we pay €10 more per week.
                      Our CPL/LS gets €9 more than theirs (including MSA).
                      Our Sgt/PO gets €60 less than them (including MSA).
                      Our BSM/WO gets €200 less per week.
                      RN also offer a HTB scheme giving a 0% loan for up to €25000, six weeks paid leave, with extra leave for seagoing appointments. Non Contrib pension

                      Officers:
                      Our cadets earn a whopping €12000 less per annum than theirs.
                      Our Freshly commissioned officer earns €300 more, including MSA.
                      Our qualified Sub Lt/Army 1st Lt earns €4000 more, including MSA.
                      Best of all...
                      Colonel/Captain here earns €2000 less than his UK counterpart.

                      What I see as an issue is MSA, instead of actual pay increases are used. Why have a pay item as an allowance, if everyone gets it?

                      Cost of living is lower in U.K. isn’t it?

                      why MSA ? The unique nature of the DF and stops follow up pay claims from other unions

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                      • #26
                        Building Momentum Defence Sector Action Plan





                        don't think there is anything new in it

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