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  • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post

    There a few photos from KFOR up on the socials today. A well know SCPO with brown boots on show.

    I don't think they look terrible but black definitely better.

    Not sure what the popular opinion is but I think black looks better on IP-DPM too....
    Yes a good Senior NCO there in fairness.

    I don't think the brown looks too bad, but the process of having a brown barrack boot and black sea boot I do agree with. Sea is somewhere that a steel toecap is needed and to police personnel to see if they are wearing the correct boot is impossible.


    Money always decides these things so as a few people stated, until all the black barrack boots are issued, there will be no change to brown.

    On a separate note, I hope to god they get rid of the wooly pully jumper, it looks shocking with a modern uniform.


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    • Looks predictably shite.

      Black does look better with IP-DPM but the brown were brought in now for the following reasons.

      1/ Black as a colour attracts and retains heat.The Brown can be used at home and in hot climates abroad. Hence why that SCPO is not wearing his regular footwear.
      2/ Futureproofing. The Brown will work better with the new DF Pattern when it comes in.
      3/ Contracts. There was no point ordering loads of new black boots that wouldn't work with the new pattern . Better to run down the last of the Black now so it's all gone when the new pattern comes in so we don't get stuck with them.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • Boots look like trainers.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          Boots look like trainers.
          100% agree. Not a fan. Too civvy trainer looking.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • New Australian naval dpm

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            • Originally posted by apod View Post

              100% agree. Not a fan. Too civvy trainer looking.
              A lot of modern civvy safety footwear look like trainers now. I have a pair of more traditional safety boots and they look like Frankenstein's boots by comparison. Comfort in the new types is much better.

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              • Tender competition launched for the next contract to supply the NSV DPM.

                No major design changes to the current kit. Only changes i picked up on were minor ones. Concealed waist button on the trousers for example.
                One change that did stick out is the addition of a velcro panel to the lid of the sleeve pocket on the shirt. More real estate to fix badges I suppose. There was talk that the NS would copy the design of the 2019+ DPM shirt which has a UBAC style sleeve pocket on both sleeves. Not to be though. looks like they are sticking with their current design.

                As an aside there is talk of the various Quals badges worn on NSV DPM being re sized to better fit the sleeve velcro. Also talk of a "Ships tally" badge to be worn in Lieu of unit flashes by both afloat and ashore unit.

                I think the NS might have jumped the gun though. If the design of the Army/Air Corps DFCCS kit is different in terms of cut the NS will have a totally different uniform layout.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • If the design of the Army/Air Corps DFCCS kit is different in terms of cut the NS will have a totally different uniform layout.
                  Wouldn't be the first time. No sign of Air Corpse getting DFCCS either.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Wouldn't be the first time. No sign of Air Corpse getting DFCCS either.
                    Both FOCNS and GoC AC have been briefed on DFCCS. NS will be issued it for land based overseas Missions and AC Recruits, Apprentices and the MTS Staff will get it too.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • Originally posted by apod View Post

                      Both FOCNS and GoC AC have been briefed on DFCCS. NS will be issued it for land based overseas Missions and AC Recruits, Apprentices and the MTS Staff will get it too.
                      It won't be a working uniform with Air corps though. DPM was always issued to those from NS and AC going overseas, but outside that it was never used by them on a daily basis.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                        It won't be a working uniform with Air corps though. DPM was always issued to those from NS and AC going overseas, but outside that it was never used by them on a daily basis.
                        This i know. Just pointing out that both Branches are still in the fold RE DFCCS.
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • Understood, just in terms of the NS GDR being completely different to the new DFCCS. It serves a different purpose. Good to see user feedback bringing small changes to the uniform though. Interesting on the qualification badges, they were never really adapted for operational uniform, even though the ships diver, clearance diver and the medic patch would have be worn on the sleeve on whatever uniform was being worn. I don't believe there was ever officially an operational uniform version. DF website is out of date with naval insignia, SNCO ranks changed years ago for example, still not reflected on military.ie other than a green version(?).

                          Also, when did the CQMS boss gain a rifle?
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Annex A to Part 1 of Admin Instruction A9 has been included since the introduction of NSV DPM. This shows the Badges to be worn, as required, with the NS Operational uniform.

                            Currently these are: Name tag, OnH tab, MP Badge. Cultaca tab, NS Diver, PARA Wings, EOD badge, "G" Badge (gaelic speaker). Oddly enough there is no NSV version of the Medic badge.

                            The proposal is to include NSV versions of the four Branch Badges that are not currently represented IE, Seamans, Comms, Engine room and Support. To be worn on the velcro on the right sleeve of the Operational Uniform.

                            Of course it doesn't help when you see pictures of NS/NSR wearing badges that are supposed to be worn on the chest of NSV DPM garments wearing them on the right sleeve instead. EG PARA Wings, "G" Badge etc. The rules for wearing these are the same for the three DF branches.
                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • Originally posted by apod View Post
                              Tender competition launched for the next contract to supply the NSV DPM.



                              As an aside there is talk of the various Quals badges worn on NSV DPM being re sized to better fit the sleeve velcro. Also talk of a "Ships tally" badge to be worn in Lieu of unit flashes by both afloat and ashore unit.
                              Great information, thanks. Any more detail on this Ship's tally suggestion? As in the name of the ship or shore unit? Like a shoulder tab?
                              Last edited by Auldsod; 7 September 2023, 18:55.

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                              • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post

                                Great information, thanks. Any more detail on this Ship's tally suggestion? As in the name of the ship or shore unit? Like a shoulder tab?
                                It's going through the proposal stage with sample being produced so a decision can be made on whether to go with it (but they are not adding extra velcro to the shirt sleeve pockets for nothing).

                                The proposal was a "nametag" style. But unless they were to mount it above the OnH badge on the left chest it wouldn't work. The OnH is staying where it is. My best guess is that it will be some kind of Rectangular shaped badge sized to fit on the velcro on the Lid of the Shirt sleeve pocket.

                                Yes. Exactly. The name of the Ship or Shore Unit. EG LE Samuel Beckett or LUNSR.
                                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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