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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    In a strange parallel universe that was the FCA, while nobody was issued combats, by the time you reached 3 star, you all had a set, some Dutch, some US and the lucky ones square pocket Irish second hand ones.
    Army surplus did a great trade in selling us 58 pattern too.
    In addition to overalls, the only combat kit on issue was those stupid steel helmets, first field dressing, and green ponchos.
    And those awful "Dunnes Stores" type rain jackets where the jacket was too small and the pants was too big.

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    With the bright white draw cords? Only the special ones got issued them.
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    no blue ones that after one wash shrunk about a foot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden rivet View Post
    no blue ones that after one wash shrunk about a foot....
    a rain jacket that shrunk when water was applied to it?
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    So the Naval Service is going ahead with the aquaflage man overboard uniform vanity project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    So the Naval Service is going ahead with the aquaflage man overboard uniform vanity project.
    Honkeys be jelly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Honkeys be jelly.
    Hardly.Lads/Lasses in the navy leaving in droves due to shite conditions of service and the NS wastes money on this citing "International best practice". Which has been proven to not be the case.

    All for FR Uniform.All for an update to the cut of the uniform.Long overdue on both counts. But Grey DPM?? Gimme a break. A pure vanity project by someone who hates wearing "Army" DPM once or twice a year to go to the range. Is that leadership??? Seriously??
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    So the Naval Service is going ahead with the aquaflage man overboard uniform vanity project.
    Well seeing as all of my GDR pants are destroyed, I for one greatly welcome this development and look forward to holing my future naval dpm uniforms too

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Hardly.Lads/Lasses in the navy leaving in droves due to shite conditions of service and the NS wastes money on this citing "International best practice". Which has been proven to not be the case.

    All for FR Uniform.All for an update to the cut of the uniform.Long overdue on both counts. But Grey DPM?? Gimme a break. A pure vanity project by someone who hates wearing "Army" DPM once or twice a year to go to the range. Is that leadership??? Seriously??
    Will make for great content on a 451 and for the interview of course! Guaranteed BZ on Ikon aswell!

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    At least the shape of the pattern on the fabric looks like seaweed .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Will make for great content on a 451 and for the interview of course! Guaranteed BZ on Ikon aswell!
    Being in uniform must bring about a mind set that when you don the uniform it doesn't misplace you or make the organisation your in, a mystery. I don't expect soldiers to wear naval uniform and likewise for any specialist unit with a distinctive identity. There is always a sense of belonging. When I joined the NS, ratings wore an appalling orange/brown jacket and pants with brass buttons reminiscent of the Curragh. The blue shirt and pants were always very civilian and difficult to look smart and collapsed when washed. The DPM comes in a more functional package and will be ours AND will also be Service wise Fashionable. Naval personnel should not have to wear green DPM's except for a clear tactical reason.

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    Am I correct in saying the "OnaH" tab is going where "naval service" was originally to go, over the left chest pocket?

    Hopefully a naval equivalent elmer fudd hat is part of the issue, just to annoy the Army folk.
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    Will make for great content on a 451 and for the interview of course! Guaranteed BZ on Ikon aswell!
    Same for the fkers who brought back subdued unit flashes ( an FCA idea) but gave RDF no means or clothing to wear them. Plenty (i.e a metric ton) of stupid stuff on the army clothing side of the house. People in glasshouses etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Being in uniform must bring about a mind set that when you don the uniform it doesn't misplace you or make the organisation your in, a mystery. I don't expect soldiers to wear naval uniform and likewise for any specialist unit with a distinctive identity. There is always a sense of belonging. When I joined the NS, ratings wore an appalling orange/brown jacket and pants with brass buttons reminiscent of the Curragh. The blue shirt and pants were always very civilian and difficult to look smart and collapsed when washed. The DPM comes in a more functional package and will be ours AND will also be Service wise Fashionable. Naval personnel should not have to wear green DPM's except for a clear tactical reason.
    You are totally missing the point but in doing so have betrayed your services main reason fro introducing this new pattern. Corporate identity. Simple as, and a NS dislike of wearing "Army" DPM.NOT the operational/tactical reasons that were used to justify this project. No one is saying that the NS SHOULD wear "Army" DPM just that the new uniform,with it's NS centric features(which was badly need) could have been produced in a traditional Navy Uniform colour.Like, Navy. Funny how the USN ditched their "Blueberries" and are going back to plain Navy and how the RN never seemed to need to change to a bespoke pattern. I wonder why that is? Less insecure maybe??

    (It's DF DPM BTW and funny how the Air Corps have no problem wearing it when the need arises.)
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Being in uniform must bring about a mind set that when you don the uniform it doesn't misplace you or make the organisation your in, a mystery. I don't expect soldiers to wear naval uniform and likewise for any specialist unit with a distinctive identity. There is always a sense of belonging. When I joined the NS, ratings wore an appalling orange/brown jacket and pants with brass buttons reminiscent of the Curragh. The blue shirt and pants were always very civilian and difficult to look smart and collapsed when washed. The DPM comes in a more functional package and will be ours AND will also be Service wise Fashionable. Naval personnel should not have to wear green DPM's except for a clear tactical reason.
    With the greatest of respect, your comment sounds exactly what some Senior Officer (who's either away with the fairies, or is cementing their pet project for promotion) would say at a good old "working group".

    Just call it what it is. A vanity pet project. There is/was no operational need for it. It's as simple as that.

    I'm sure whoever had the lightbulb moment a few years ago, probably never envisaged ships being tied up due to lack of crew.

    Still. It'll sound mightily impressive to the civvie at interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    You are totally missing the point but in doing so have betrayed your services main reason fro introducing this new pattern. Corporate identity. Simple as, and a NS dislike of wearing "Army" DPM.NOT the operational/tactical reasons that were used to justify this project. No one is saying that the NS SHOULD wear "Army" DPM just that the new uniform,with it's NS centric features(which was badly need) could have been produced in a traditional Navy Uniform colour.Like, Navy. Funny how the USN ditched their "Blueberries" and are going back to plain Navy and how the RN never seemed to need to change to a bespoke pattern. I wonder why that is? Less insecure maybe??

    (It's DF DPM BTW and funny how the Air Corps have no problem wearing it when the need arises.)
    I've said it before but I don't see why we couldn't have bought the RN working dress less white ensign. Would have received their economy of scale too. God knows, we could even have added a tricolour for some differentiation on the shoulder.

    Then again, I'm assuming that Tailored Image have a 100 year contract on all non DPM clothing.....

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    If it was in navy colour but the same material and cut none here would be saying anything but about time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    (It's DF DPM BTW and funny how the Air Corps have no problem wearing it when the need arises.)
    Now that the NS have their own variant, how long will it be until the AC come looking for their own?

    And on the Royal Navy working dress, this from 2015 is worth a read, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-10122027.html

    Unless they've had an update since?
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    So, as an observer reading this post it's clear from the wider DF viewpoint this sits somewhere between Bertie Ahern's canary yellow G8 monstrosity and that orange away jersey Vs Macedonia in the pantheon of Irish clothing missteps.

    Personally, I think this will market very well with the public. Recognisability and branding are hugely important with major acquisition programs on the horizon and I'm sure the DPM is much better at hiding coffee stains in a Force 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    So, as an observer reading this post it's clear from the wider DF viewpoint this sits somewhere between Bertie Ahern's canary yellow G8 monstrosity and that orange away jersey Vs Macedonia in the pantheon of Irish clothing missteps.

    Personally, I think this will market very well with the public. Recognisability and branding are hugely important with major acquisition programs on the horizon and I'm sure the DPM is much better at hiding coffee stains in a Force 9.


    Because obviously no one sees this and thinks navy
    https://images.app.goo.gl/xcGRRRWrw7y6mo5a8

    More likely to think army in urban camo with this new rig IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Because obviously no one sees this and thinks navy
    https://images.app.goo.gl/xcGRRRWrw7y6mo5a8

    More likely to think army in urban camo with this new rig IMHO
    So many organisations wear the same thing. Customs, Coast Guard, Firemen, Some Pharma workers... Binmen.. it's too generic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So many organisations wear the same thing. Customs, Coast Guard, Firemen, Some Pharma workers... Binmen.. it's too generic.
    Easily solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post

    They are boarding drysuits for MIO.

    As someone who will be wearing the new uniform, i couldnt care less if its grey, blue, orange or pink, as long as its comfortable to wear and you can easily layer up/down.

    Current GDR is horrible to wear in the summer months as its does not breath at all and you are not permitted to layer down.

    It also looks like a bag of rags once creased and fades rapidly after a few washes.

    My only issue with the new uniform is the new grey rank sliders and nametags, the black one should remain IMO.

    Also the removal of the barrack jacket is a mistake and the jumper is a 1980s piece of uniform and looks ridiculous with the new kit.

    Other than that, its the first time in the service history that significant investment has been made in a working uniform so it has to be welcomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    They are boarding drysuits for MIO.

    As someone who will be wearing the new uniform, i couldnt care less if its grey, blue, orange or pink, as long as its comfortable to wear and you can easily layer up/down.

    Current GDR is horrible to wear in the summer months as its does not breath at all and you are not permitted to layer down.

    It also looks like a bag of rags once creased and fades rapidly after a few washes.

    My only issue with the new uniform is the new grey rank sliders and nametags, the black one should remain IMO.

    Also the removal of the barrack jacket is a mistake and the jumper is a 1980s piece of uniform and looks ridiculous with the new kit.

    Other than that, its the first time in the service history that significant investment has been made in a working uniform so it has to be welcomed.
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