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    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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    It's in all the sunday papers it seems.

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    To be fair it's one of the ARW's roles.

    And while I don't agree with Irish Personnel be they Mil or Civ being put in harms way to bring a traitor home, her child is innocent and deserves better.
    And we, as in the Irish people don't turn our back on those in need.


    (Unless of course you happen to be an asylum seeker then yeah we do.Plus mount protests and burn out elected officials cars)
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    The thing that bothers me is you don't tell people you are sending in Special Forces, you tel people after they are safe home, job done.
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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    Would say it was a leak not welcomed by army. probably some ngo cu3t ringing he's ma.
    Last edited by sofa; 3rd November 2019 at 20:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    The thing that bothers me is you don't tell people you are sending in Special Forces, you tel people after they are safe home, job done.
    It sounds like they are there as CP for the officials, rather than going in mob-handed.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Anyone who thought for one moment that she wasn't going to be brought home is deluded

    Rightly or wrongly shes coming home and those from the DF sent to do whatever are doing so with absolute impartiality
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    The thing that bothers me is you don't tell people you are sending in Special Forces, you tel people after they are safe home, job done.
    Absolutely - the a**hole who leaked this , whether politician, civil servant or, god forbid, member of the DF , needs to be taken out and horse whipped.
    “The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaqra View Post
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    Absolutely - the a**hole who leaked this , whether politician, civil servant or, god forbid, member of the DF , needs to be taken out and horse whipped.
    I'd use a sjambok personally (rhino-whip)…

    Then I'd take it to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    I'd use a sjambok personally (rhino-whip)…

    Then I'd take it to her.
    Is that allowed under Sharia law?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Encouraged possibly
    Time for another break I think......

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    She is still an Irish Citizen and more importantly her little child is as paddy as you or me, the unenumerated role of the DF is to protect Irish Citizens, so therefore we’ll done and best of luck to the lads out there trying to get her and the small one home.

    If anyone can prove Smith or her child did anything wrong, I would gladly say **** them,
    Most of us have female relatives who joined religious organisations that presided over oppression of non believers and a bit of beheading here and there and a penchant for long flowing black robes and we call them sister this or sister that.
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    She is still an Irish Citizen and more importantly her little child is as paddy as you or me, the unenumerated role of the DF is to protect Irish Citizens, so therefore we’ll done and best of luck to the lads out there trying to get her and the small one home.

    If anyone can prove Smith or her child did anything wrong, I would gladly say **** them,
    Most of us have female relatives who joined religious organisations that presided over oppression of non believers and a bit of beheading here and there and a penchant for long flowing black robes and we call them sister this or sister that.
    I think the analogy would be more accurate if said female relative had joined the SS.

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    I feel sorry for her little one.That poor child has done nothing and is now separated from her Mother and staying with a family she has never known.

    As for the mother.

    F**k her. Traitor.
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    Does Portlaoise High Security have a womens wing? Cos Dóchas is too good for her.
    (presuming of course she is remanded, charged, and convcted of whatever she is currently being questioned for)
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    Children are taken from unsuitable parents every week. The safety and welfare of the child long-term is paramount, and the child is now safe, and with family, which is better than some. Probably, more effort and scrutiny has probably gone into this (and will be in the future) than other children that have been traumatised.

    The woman herself is not a victim. I hope that she isn’t portrayed or treated as such. There are plenty of victims of ISIS in Ireland and the U.K. who the press are not desperate to interview.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Late Late show next week with her book.

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    And all women in Ireland wondering why everyone is picking on this poor girl, who made a mistake and should be let get on with her life unhindered......
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    She's home and now in questioning and is likely to there a long time depending on how co-operative she is. I am sure that there has been a comprehensive file assembled by both our intelligence agencies and those of the British. And that information will be much more accurate than anything that has been written in the press in the last year. She could be a potential gold mine of information, information that could make us all safer;
    Why did she convert? Why did she feel drawn to travel to Syria? How did she integrate into their system? How does the ISIS society work? What influences are they subjected too? What she knows about their military, structure, tactics, training...………. And once we are finished talk to her I am sure there will be plenty of other intelligence agencies just wait to get a chance to talk to her. The press will have to wait decades and a book will never be in her lifetime (unless something major happens to eliminate Islamic terrorism).

    We have troops on active deployment in the areas which could be subject to attack from groups associated with Islamic State so any information we get that can make those men and women safer must be welcomed.

    If on the other hand she does not co-operate and there is sufficient collaborated evidence that she is guilty of an offence under the Offences against the Sate Act 1939, then she will go to prison. Only then should we start using language such as "treason" or "traitor". If for no other reason as to avoid the later defence that the accused person could not get a fair trial due to the negative publicity.

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    Making it stick will be the challenge
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Well the DPP obviously thinks there is sufficient evidence

    Plus she has been denied bail and been sent to the Duchas Centre (isolated for her protection)

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