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  • #16
    Originally posted by ODIN View Post
    Being devils advocate here, and giving a stream of argumentative thought that I don't 100% agree with myself, but anyway.

    We seem to have two conflicting ideologies in the DF, the barrack based, parade focus that seems to occupy the minds of those who make decisions on uniform modification, and the tactical/functional requirements of the troops on the ground. We also have the cost associated with the replacement of DPM uniforms that are washed, ironed and used in parade to within an inch of their lives, and in the recent example of new nubuck leather boots being polished for parade. These are conflicting ideologies that do not appear to have a resolution that is acceptable to the other.

    Is it time that we go back to having a separate Barracks and Tactical uniform. Barracks being Trousers, Shirt, cold weather Jumper and black boots that could be ironed and polished to the joy of any CO or BSM, and a separate tactical uniform with UBACs, Ranger Trousers, a functional Smock and nubuck leather boots that would be just for tactical and operational wear.

    If we don't go down this path, we're going to continue to have some bastardised mutt of a uniform that does neither job well. The other option of course is that the boards that make the call on uniform see sense, but I don't think that is likely to happen in this century.
    It’s already happened by accident

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DeV View Post
      Which goes against the whole principle in the first place of DPM - to replace working dress and combat dress with a single modular uniform
      I agree.The whole thing smacks of some senior bloke who has always hated the "shabby" appearance of a uniform designed for field use when on parade,now being in a position of power,and using said power to unwind ALL the progress made since 1999. If you read the study group report on DF uniforms(available in the DF Library) circa 1996 the new smock completely disregards ALL the recommendations that the ARW made regarding smock design.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #18
        Nordics are trialling a common uniform

        The four different supplier designed candidates for the #NCU (Nordic Combat Uniform) are in user trials in Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden. The final uniform design will be common but the camo will be national.adam seven ???????? ???????? added,

        HenrikJ


        why on earth we and the crew next door cant do this kind of thing
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • #19
          well,the thing about using a camouflaged combat tunic as a working uniform when you are deep in the bowels of a combat vehicle or an aircraft or a ship; pointless, expensive and a pig to get rid of oil stains. people in dirty jobs should get working clothing designed by professionals, so let it be Snickers or equivalent. You can have them in any colour you like and you can add all the layers you like for cold weather or strip it back for hot weather. It's also not helped by people being fashion victims who are hitting the Airsoft ranges on their days off. Less Gucci,more practical,more utilitarian, less parade ground bullshit. If any SNCO wants to be a woodentop,let him transfer out to the Brigade of Guards and he can tick-tock around all day,spitshined to the last.

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          • #20
            Option 1 or 2 for the Vikings new combat uniforms if I had a say in anything
            An army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

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            • #21
              Originally posted by trellheim View Post
              https://twitter.com/a7_FIN_SWE/statu...38403131695105

              why on earth we and the crew next door cant do this kind of thing
              Because the brain dead will be out singing "come out ya black an tans"

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              • #22
                the ironic thing is that pretty much all the Armies that took on Piranhas accepted the factory colour scheme (shades of Henry Ford) without question.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                  the ironic thing is that pretty much all the Armies that took on Piranhas accepted the factory colour scheme (shades of Henry Ford) without question.
                  Don't fix what's not broke?
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • #24


                    Did we actually do this for ours, or is that just rumour?
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Did we actually do this for ours, or is that just rumour?
                      As far as I'm aware the copyright of Irish DPM was not registered.

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                      • #26
                        Interesting development.(Not surprised though).Google translate is your friend.
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • #27
                          Who would have thought waterproof garment being waterproof was actually a requirement.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #28
                            Interesting look at the scenarios for use dictated by the tender by one of the competitors. In this case Unifeq. The Polish manufacturing but Chinese owned Company (The same Company that is holding up the rollout of the new Dutch DOKS/NFP Uniform due to legal action because they didn't get the contract.Which seems to be their form)

                            Some food for thought maybe on how we could use our own clothing system better???

                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • #29
                              Winner winner chicken dinner.

                              Norwegian equipment supplier Oskar Pederson has secured a contract to deliver combat uniforms for four Nordic countries.






                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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