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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Quality is improved with prefabricated room pods being manufactured in factories with quality assurance mechanisms. You’ll get less quality having trades on site.

    5 star hotels use room pods.
    Luxury apartments use room pods.

    Equally, budget aparthotels use room pods.

    Building technology and construction methods have moved on from brick laying
    I have heard that loads of times over the years infact I'm sure someone said something simmilar to the pharaohs when the pyramids were built. All you have to do is look at Ronan Point or most recently Grenfell Tower to see what hapens when you put all your faith in "new technologies" and it goes catastrophicly wrong .

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point
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    It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    That is a standard time frame for Practical Completion on a standard Commercial Shell and Core project. Does it have any tenants signed up yet? If not then the Tenant's fit out requirements could add a few months to the actual completion and occupation dates.
    The end date is for full tenancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    I have heard that loads of times over the years infact I'm sure someone said something simmilar to the pharaohs when the pyramids were built. All you have to do is look at Ronan Point or most recently Grenfell Tower to see what hapens when you put all your faith in "new technologies" and it goes catastrophicly wrong .

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point

    Ah here, your trying to compare 1960s building with 2020.

    Like trying to compare a 1960s VW bus with a 2020 transporter. Would ya shhhtaaap

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Ah here, your trying to compare 1960s building with 2020.

    Like trying to compare a 1960s VW bus with a 2020 transporter. Would ya shhhtaaap
    OK then you want a modern tale of when clients get to involved and a project goes tits up, here you go.

    https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...at-20-09-2018/

    And that's not a isolated case in the industry, I have experienced a number of things that sometimes I have thought about writing a book.
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    You’re proving my point. Don’t let the DF Engineers anywhere near the project. Hire a professional PM, contract a company who have proved they know what they’re doing and provide the money for the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    You’re proving my point. Don’t let the DF Engineers anywhere near the project. Hire a professional PM, contract a company who have proved they know what they’re doing and provide the money for the build.
    The DF Engineers won't be the ones you want to keep away from the Project, its the Property Management Branch of the DoD (I.e. the ones who control the money) you want to keep away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU View Post
    The DF Engineers won't be the ones you want to keep away from the Project, its the Property Management Branch of the DoD (I.e. the ones who control the money) you want to keep away.
    Just a few points; a. The Defence Engineers oversaw the OM in Haulbowline , also the Ratings Mess Complex, the redo of the Gym/Indoor range/ Seamanship bay for conversion to a more modern Gym, New billets at the Martello Tower, New workshops in Naval yard. They get quite a few star comments, especially the Ratings mess.
    b. The new build at Haulbowline is to be within the preserved shell of a Victorian Limestone Building, some podding might be useful, but pick contractors carefully, as there are many buildings around that were designed to be cheap on tender and grew legs to get an acceptable standard of finish. Safety in modern projects and the materials used must be analytically selected. There was a time when asbestos was the answer to fire safety etc.etc.
    c. If you want to induct temporarily, from the reserve or otherwise, people with high level skills, such as Civil Engineers, Surgeons, IT specialists, procedure specialists of any type, then you must pay them their profession's going rate with an agreed specialist rank structure for the period of service.

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    Five acres of Defence Forces land in Bray Co Wicklow is being 'transferred' (not sold) to Wicklow County Council for housing.
    Given its location, I would say it would easily fetch €5 million on the open market, money that the cash strapped Defence Forces badly need.
    Business as usual at the useless DoD and from the part-time Minister.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals...-39647707.html

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    5 acres In Bray? What did it used to be used for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    Five acres of Defence Forces land in Bray Co Wicklow is being 'transferred' (not sold) to Wicklow County Council for housing.
    Given its location, I would say it would easily fetch €5 million on the open market, money that the cash strapped Defence Forces badly need.
    Business as usual at the useless DoD and from the part-time Minister.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals...-39647707.html
    This by the way is probably one of the few things the SF spokesman on defence has done
    http://wicklowtimes.net/wp-content/u...h_20_10_20.pdf (page 13)

    As far as I know it’s leased not owned

    There was a plan to build a new courthouse (since built elsewhere) and homes there about 15 years ago. Lots of objections
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    5 acres In Bray? What did it used to be used for?
    21 Bn FCA and subsequently 62 Bn RDF HQ

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    And what was the other 4 and a half acres used for?
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    And what was the other 4 and a half acres used for?
    It was a training field. The land is owned by the Dept. Sad to see the asset go, it was the last RDF post in Wicklow
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    It was a training field. The land is owned by the Dept. Sad to see the asset go, it was the last RDF post in Wicklow
    The WHOLE Rockbrae House footprint is being sold? Or just part of it?
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    I never said sold ... see the wicklowtimes link. Dev would know more lol
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    All the land that DoD is responsible for is being transferred (ie zero cost) from DoD to Wicklow CC for housing

    There are 2 basic parts to the land - the house (the drive, lodge, outhouses and main house) and the (roughly L shaped) field.

    I always remember seeing that the house was on a long term lease but maybe they do own it. The assumption was the field was part of it.

    I could be completely wrong but I was told not all that long ago that it was discovered that the field was actually owned by Wicklow CC

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    St Bricin’s is another site that will probably be confiscated from the Army, a site worth several million on the open market.

    The part-time Minister for Defence has indicated that a new medical facility will be built at Baldonnel.
    Millions will have to be taken from other defence projects to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    St Bricin’s is another site that will probably be confiscated from the Army, a site worth several million on the open market.

    The part-time Minister for Defence has indicated that a new medical facility will be built at Baldonnel.
    Millions will have to be taken from other defence projects to pay for it.
    A new medical facility at the Don would probably not be a bad idea for accessibility purposes, relatively close to the M50.

    Granted, funding may be an issue, but given that Bricin's was slated for closure anyway, the footprint would fetch a pretty penny for the property market, so might well be cost neutral overall.

    Agree that in the short term, the €€€ would have to be found to build the new facility first. Would co locating be an option (say for instance if there was footprint available in Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown)?

    Just so long as the proposed new facility is in place BEFORE the gate is closed on Bricins for the last time.

    So long as the same fk ups aren't made as were made with the National Childrens' Hospital (green fieid site offered near the M50 but twice decided to plank it in the middle of the city)
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    A new medical facility at the Don would probably not be a bad idea for accessibility purposes, relatively close to the M50.

    Granted, funding may be an issue, but given that Bricin's was slated for closure anyway, the footprint would fetch a pretty penny for the property market, so might well be cost neutral overall.

    Agree that in the short term, the €€€ would have to be found to build the new facility first. Would co locating be an option (say for instance if there was footprint available in Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown)?

    Just so long as the proposed new facility is in place BEFORE the gate is closed on Bricins for the last time.

    So long as the same fk ups aren't made as were made with the National Childrens' Hospital (green fieid site offered near the M50 but twice decided to plank it in the middle of the city)

    Look back at the last land disposals

    AFAIK they still havent managed to unload Mullingar. Colaiste Caomhin they were out like a flash; Remember they took a slice out of Bricins about 10 years ago was never built on due McNamara going into NAMA. Go into Clancy now and its packed to the walls with Aparments, same with Beggars bush.


    Does anyone remember when Michael Smith, Minister at the time actually closed a lot of barracks and ploughed the money into the APC fleet. DOD had to beg people to take Clancy off their hands way back when.

    Any time DOD land is disposed its worth keeping an eye on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    A new medical facility at the Don would probably not be a bad idea for accessibility purposes, relatively close to the M50.

    Granted, funding may be an issue, but given that Bricin's was slated for closure anyway, the footprint would fetch a pretty penny for the property market, so might well be cost neutral overall.

    Agree that in the short term, the €€€ would have to be found to build the new facility first. Would co locating be an option (say for instance if there was footprint available in Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown)?

    Just so long as the proposed new facility is in place BEFORE the gate is closed on Bricins for the last time.

    So long as the same fk ups aren't made as were made with the National Childrens' Hospital (green fieid site offered near the M50 but twice decided to plank it in the middle of the city)
    Doesn’t necessarily have to be in Dublin but co-location (or close to) is definitely the way to go. Given that the vast majority of the CMU services are GP centred it could even be a primary care centre.

    The major question is do we want CMU HQ, Med Sch and LBH co-located ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    St Bricin’s is another site that will probably be confiscated from the Army, a site worth several million on the open market.

    The part-time Minister for Defence has indicated that a new medical facility will be built at Baldonnel.
    Millions will have to be taken from other defence projects to pay for it.
    Citywest Hotel ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    A new medical facility at the Don would probably not be a bad idea for accessibility purposes, relatively close to the M50.

    Granted, funding may be an issue, but given that Bricin's was slated for closure anyway, the footprint would fetch a pretty penny for the property market, so might well be cost neutral overall.

    Agree that in the short term, the €€€ would have to be found to build the new facility first. Would co locating be an option (say for instance if there was footprint available in Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown)?

    Just so long as the proposed new facility is in place BEFORE the gate is closed on Bricins for the last time.

    So long as the same fk ups aren't made as were made with the National Childrens' Hospital (green fieid site offered near the M50 but twice decided to plank it in the middle of the city)
    St Bricin’s is certainly worth several million on the open market but it's very likely it'll be confiscated from the Army, even before a new medical facility can be built and without it receiving a penny in return.
    The indication from the part-time MfD that the new facility will be built at Baldonnel could also spell the end of the Curragh hospital.

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    Citywest Hotel ?
    What about the Citywest Hotel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    St Bricin’s is certainly worth several million on the open market but it's very likely it'll be confiscated from the Army, even before a new medical facility can be built and without it receiving a penny in return.
    The indication from the part-time MfD that the new facility will be built at Baldonnel could also spell the end of the Curragh hospital.
    Afaik CMH doesn’t have inpatients they are sent to Naas


    What about the Citywest Hotel?
    Tongue in cheek that it could be a new hospital
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    St Bricin’s is certainly worth several million on the open market but it's very likely it'll be confiscated from the Army, even before a new medical facility can be built and without it receiving a penny in return.
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    Politicians will be all over it like a cheap suit to cash in on Bricins being civilianised. the DF will get sod all out of it, in real terms.

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