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    Amendments to the Defence Act for Covid Emergency

    Here is the proposed Bill for Ex-PDF going through the Dail at the moment.


    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireac...ted/b0420d.pdf

    Amendment of Defence Act 1954: re-enlistment of formerly enlisted persons
    25. The Defence Act 1954 is amended—
    (a) in section 19(b), by the substitution of “section 53, 53A or 54” for “section 53 or
    54”,
    (b) by the insertion of the following section after section 53:
    “Re-enlistment of formerly enlisted persons
    53A. (1) A person who was formerly enlisted in the Permanent Defence
    Force—
    (a) who has served the full term of his or her original enlistment in
    accordance with section 53 (and, if applicable, any periods of
    service authorised under section 64 or 65), or
    (b) who was discharged in accordance with section 75,
    may, subject to subsection (2), be re-enlisted as an enlisted person of
    the Permanent Defence Force for a specified period as determined by
    the Minister.
    (2) A person may only be re-enlisted under subsection (1) where the
    Minister determines that this course of action will address a
    deficiency, within the Defence Forces, of necessary skills or expertise
    which, in his or her opinion, cannot be met through the use of existing
    personnel resources.
    (3) A person re-enlisted under subsection (1) may have that period of
    service extended for such further term as the Minister may determine,
    having regard to any deficiency within the Defence Forces of
    necessary skills or expertise which, in his or her opinion, cannot be
    met through the use of the then existing personnel resources.
    (4) Sections 53, 63, 64, 65 and 70 shall not apply to a person re-enlisted
    under this section.”,
    (c) in section 58(1), by the substitution of “section 53 or 53A” for “section 53”, and
    (d) in section 69, by the substitution of “section 53 or 53A” for “section 53”.
    To be read I suppose in line with the current Defence Act Restatement - Here - https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload..._1954_0018.PDF

    Section 75 is discharge by purchase.
    Last edited by trellheim; 25th March 2020 at 12:47.
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    So creating a mechanism to return enlisted back to service similar as what is currently available for officers?
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    Another obvious one - which would not require Govt legislation, merely an amendment to DFR R5 - would be to raise the upper age limit for discharging PDF to enlist in the RDF. Bit of a no brainer really.

    A guy I know retired back in May after 4 years FCA and 24 years PDF service. Had so many quals from his Corps service they were coming out his ar$e.

    Was eager to go back to the RDF too - where he would have been a huge asset to the RDF.

    But because he was 47 he was canned...
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    So whats the contract on offer on re enlistment?
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    Pity it only applies to the PDF, I know a few former RDF people who are eager to get involved in helping where they can.
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    So whats the contract on offer on re enlistment?
    nobody knows this is something they wanted to do anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    So whats the contract on offer on re enlistment?
    All I know is that the legislation states that "reenlistment will be for a period as specified by the Minister"

    Some amount of shit being posted on FB on the subject....
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    contracts are frantically being figured out by DOD and J1 I think.
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    More details tomorrow. Special skills only. Techs, pilots, seamen, logs.
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    Just when I thought I was out …… they pull me back in …. The Godfather .
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    Proposed amendment to allow for RDF employment protection. See Section 26. https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireac...b0420d-dnl.pdf.

    Amendment is by two independent TDs so may not go through. We will know tonight as it has to be done by then.
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    Nothing will get through until a new government is formed.
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    This is a great move forward. Does it cover salary protection of the reserve is called up.

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    This is a great move forward. Does it cover salary protection of the reserve is called up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Nothing will get through until a new government is formed.
    This is emergency COVID19 legislation

    Like the other emergency COVID19 legislation passed last Thursday

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Proposed amendment to allow for RDF employment protection. See Section 26. https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireac...b0420d-dnl.pdf.

    Amendment is by two independent TDs so may not go through. We will know tonight as it has to be done by then.
    Looks like it passed. Opposed by Fine Gael though.
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    Thumbs up

    Passed
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    no
    Para 4 in the amendment seems to say otherwise
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    How easy was it to do this. Well done to the TD from Kildate south.
    Sad that FG chose not to vote for it because "it was unlikely the reserve would be called out".
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    rights yes cash no
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    rights yes cash no
    No duff - how do you see that in the legislation?
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    missing your point here. Where do you see that your salary continues if you are called up, in the amendment ?
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    You entitled to your job back basically

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    If your currently earning €60k in your civi employment and the reserve is called up fulltime you earn the pay of your rank ie Cpl €512 pw vs over 1000k pw, so it's a loss.
    Basically if you earn more in your civilian employment you lose.

    Someone please tell me that I'm wrong.
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    I cannot understand how the powers that be didn't ensure this was on the statute books already.

    It must really kill the DOD. It almost seems like the TD for Kildare South is trolling them.

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