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    Indeed. However they would need to execute said mobilisation.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Not the same story here. Many are at home, working from home. Business has not shut down here in the same way it has in the UK. Only non essential retail has closed.
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    Well everything I just said went out the window as of midnight.
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    1st line Reserve, most likely called up first (pardon the pun). Anyone who left the PDF since 2014/5 is on that list. I dont know the number but it is most likely over a thousand, so similar number to current RDF effective strength or maybe we will all get the call if it goes as bad as Italy or Spain. Stay in and stay safe until the phone rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Well, at the moment I’d have thought that everyone is the Reserves is either:

    1. In an essential occupation and therefore should be exempt from call-up as a “reserved” occupation (no pun intended) and already doing a vital job

    Or

    2. Sitting at home scratching their bollix (or whatever) and looking at Netflix, therefore available for mobilisation at little inconvenience to either themselves or their employer.

    Is that a reasonable summary?
    Not at all. I'm stuck working from home but it's been 12 hour days and we're up the wall. Hundreds of thousands in same position across the country.

    Many hundreds of thousands or more either unable to work or unfortunately out of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Not at all. I'm stuck working from home but it's been 12 hours and we're up the wall. Hundreds of thousands in same position across the country.

    Many hundreds of thousands or more either unable to work or unfortunately out of work.
    I was just thinking about members of the AR, not the country as a whole. There are people who it will be counter-productive to call up, but I’d imagine there are lots of members of the reserve available, even if just for short-term usage.

    At this stage, even people who have been self-isolating from the start waiting for a test will be coming to the end of that if they haven’t developed symptoms.
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    Many people keep telling me the 1st Line Reserve is a thing. I have never once seen it mobilised or used or paraded. Asking PDF do you actually get transferred to it because I thought that all went by the wayside years ago ,
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    It still exists, in that each PDF have a reserve obligation. How it can be enforced I don't know unless the DF has been maintaining up to date contact information on its former members
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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    1st line Reserve, most likely called up first (pardon the pun). Anyone who left the PDF since 2014/5 is on that list. I dont know the number but it is most likely over a thousand, so similar number to current RDF effective strength or maybe we will all get the call if it goes as bad as Italy or Spain. Stay in and stay safe until the phone rings.
    Numbers are much smaller that that. The only people that have a FLR obligation are those who left with less than 12 years service. You can buy your way out of the FLR for €12.70.

    If someone left after 5 years they owe 7 on the FLR. After 9 years service they owe 3years on the FLR

    The numbers in the Bdes are around a Pl each is all.

    None have kit or equipment. None have any desire to be there ... thats why they left in the first place.

    Try mobilising them ... be more effort than it is worth.
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    As of 31st July 2019, the substantive strength of the First Line Reserve is 296 personnel; the effective strength of the Army Reserve is 1549 personnel and that of the Naval Service Reserve is 141 personnel.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates.../2019-09-06/7/

    They have to apply to join the FLR and get a grat for filling in the form annually


    How does that compare to the huge numbers who have left in the last 5 years

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    The amount of people though who tell me that everyone officers and men leaving the PDF automatically go to 1LR is ridiculous ....
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    The amount of people though who tell me that everyone officers and men leaving the PDF automatically go to 1LR is ridiculous ....
    No, other ranks only go on it for the duration of what is left of their 12 year undertaking.

    On enlistment they sign a 12 undertaking made up of 5 years PDF and 7 years reserve. After 5 years they apply for extension of service (EOS) to extend that to 9 years PDF and 3 years reserve. After 12 years they are free.

    Not much point in a 60 year old Pte joining the FLR.

    Officers are different and have to apply to go on the FLR. The contracts are different and the discharge criteria are different. They would require a presidential commission in the FLR so not as straight forward as with other ranks.


    Anyone that discharges by purchase buys out their contract so they have no FLR undertaking. Those that choose not to EOS do have a committment but can buy it out for the equivalent of 10 punts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    As of 31st July 2019, the substantive strength of the First Line Reserve is 296 personnel; the effective strength of the Army Reserve is 1549 personnel and that of the Naval Service Reserve is 141 personnel.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates.../2019-09-06/7/

    They have to apply to join the FLR and get a grat for filling in the form annually


    How does that compare to the huge numbers who have left in the last 5 years
    How many of that 296 are in the country, not in another service such as Gardai, are medically fit etc?

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    This is kind of my point - whenever I bring up the reserve, certain people tend to say "no, FLR first to get called up" but I think its tilting at windmills.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    This is kind of my point - whenever I bring up the reserve, certain people tend to say "no, FLR first to get called up" but I think its tilting at windmills.
    They may be tried to be mobilised before the SLR but the reality is they are unlikely to muster much strength

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    Excellent discussion, learning more each day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    Excellent discussion, learning more each day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Always remember, every day's a school day....
    Except in the current circumstances when the schools are closed, and those homeschooling quit on tuesday....
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Many people keep telling me the 1st Line Reserve is a thing. I have never once seen it mobilised or used or paraded. Asking PDF do you actually get transferred to it because I thought that all went by the wayside years ago ,
    I remember when I got out I was basically given a "If you wish to remain as part of the 1LR tick this box" Didn't tick it. Moved on.

    I have heard stories of a few exers, mainly NCO's with full 21 and in some cases more applying to help out being told that this recall/mobilisation is more geared towards the chinless class.
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Also when I was in.........one of my many duties was managing the 1LR for my unit. Think we had 3 on the books, contact information completely out of date and no way to contact them. Granted this was 2012 but doubt it had been improved in the interim with the many other problems the DF was facing.
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    The reenlistment is more than likely aimed at technicians.

    Officers have had a scheme for around a year or so. I am aware of only 2 pilots that have taken it up.

    There are some ex technical officers that have made it known they are willing to help out with pro bono contracting tasks or join a special reserve etc to help out with this crisis. Some are legislatively possible, others are not at present.

    It would be good for enlisted pers to have the option of rejoining if they realised that civi street is not for them. Now that PDL is gone they have no way to test the water before leaving

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    There exists a perfectly feasible reserve which DOD are persistently unwilling to seriously use an consider like ACF or somewthing . Mind you were are getting off topic here. I'll split this thread off in the AM
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Terms and Conditions have been agreed and published

    https://military.ie/en/careers/re-join/

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    Unlikely to get too many to return but every few helps. The pension abatement will stop many, but what do they want? A pension and a salary for the same job?

    Good to see that they will not block vacancies.

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    same rank, pay and no chance of promotion , and no guarantee of a permanent job once term is up ? Or am I missing something ?
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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