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That is because while we identified risks during the risk assessment phase our default stance in this country is the likelihood of occurrence is low which usually translate it doing nothing. This is not unique to government circles, I have seen it time and time again in business
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No forward planning for contingencies.
Prime example.The Dept allowing the DF strength to be run down to almost ineffective levels."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostNo forward planning for contingencies.
Prime example.The Dept allowing the DF strength to be run down to almost ineffective levels.
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Originally posted by Bravo20 View PostThat is because while we identified risks during the risk assessment phase our default stance in this country is the likelihood of occurrence is low which usually translate it doing nothing. This is not unique to government circles, I have seen it time and time again in business
On one axis is the probability and this can be low but there is the other axis and that is the more important one and that is the consequence severity axis.
If some which is highly unlikely does occur and it will have a major consequence then it has to be planned for.
Only when something is low probability and low severity then nothing needs to be done. This goes for business as well as for government
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post.... I would still like to know , where is the AMC."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by Truck Driver View PostRefer to post #6 above...
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It is not just the DF that needs to be better supported, the DoD is also responsible for Civil Defence. Their role and expertise is often overlooked but they have a major role in this. They provide many ambulances and specialist to tackle what is a civil threat. But like the rest of the DoD charges they too have to conform to the what is the minimum we can get away with approach of the DoD. Today we have a viral pandemic, but what would happen if one day Sellafield exploded? Would we have the decontamination capacity or mobile hospitals to deal with it? No.
A start would be to see how the link between the Civil Defence and the army's Medical & Engineering corps can be strengthen
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIt is not just the DF that needs to be better supported, the DoD is also responsible for Civil Defence. Their role and expertise is often overlooked but they have a major role in this. They provide many ambulances and specialist to tackle what is a civil threat. But like the rest of the DoD charges they too have to conform to the what is the minimum we can get away with approach of the DoD. Today we have a viral pandemic, but what would happen if one day Sellafield exploded? Would we have the decontamination capacity or mobile hospitals to deal with it? No.
A start would be to see how the link between the Civil Defence and the army's Medical & Engineering corps can be strengthen
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How many once in a hundred year events have we had in the last 10, 20, 30 years? Between snow, storms, floods and pandemics?
Scary thing is it's much more frequnt we have social upheaval, yet our forces are not prepared for that either. Invest now to prepare for the unlikelyhood.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostHow many once in a hundred year events have we had in the last 10, 20, 30 years? Between snow, storms, floods and pandemics?
Scary thing is it's much more frequnt we have social upheaval, yet our forces are not prepared for that either. Invest now to prepare for the unlikelyhood.
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There is a paper from Medical gurus at Bricknell setting out a full 200 bed hospital on a greenfield site. In a surge situation they also recommend a Whole Hospital Information System to cut down on paper work, it's not yet in the british system but is available in US Field Hospitals (WHIS)
This pandemic is being led by Respiratory specialists and Anaesthologists due to the nature of the treatment. There isn't and over flow of these available , so diverting funds to acquire and set up Army Field hospitals is a non runner.
The DF in a support mode through ambulances, testing and Logs is what is needed . If the DF doctors can be incorporated into the HSE for the duration, all the better.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostThe army don't have the 'trades to run a hospital of this magnitude as the DF have piggy backed on the HSE for all their medical cover for years and with the DF running at under 8000 spread over the country there will never been the staff or the funding to do so.
This pandemic is being led by Respiratory specialists and Anaesthologists due to the nature of the treatment. There isn't and over flow of these available , so diverting funds to acquire and set up Army Field hospitals is a non runner.
The DF in a support mode through ambulances, testing and Logs is what is needed . If the DF doctors can be incorporated into the HSE for the duration, all the better.
The US and the U.K. (both significantly larger than Ireland in terms of population and Armed Forces) rely on mobilisation of suitably trained professional reservists to staff their medical services in wartime- something that would be counterproductive at the moment.
This is not to say that having the ability to deploy is unnecessary - I would say the knowledge and ability is vital, even if the actual staff manning it are drawn from civil defence and other sources, rather than being “green”.
Look at the Italian army - their medical service is provided by the Order of Malta.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostThe army don't have the 'trades to run a hospital of this magnitude as the DF have piggy backed on the HSE for all their medical cover for years and with the DF running at under 8000 spread over the country there will never been the staff or the funding to do so.
This pandemic is being led by Respiratory specialists and Anaesthologists due to the nature of the treatment. There isn't and over flow of these available , so diverting funds to acquire and set up Army Field hospitals is a non runner.
The DF in a support mode through ambulances, testing and Logs is what is needed . If the DF doctors can be incorporated into the HSE for the duration, all the better.
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We are in panic mode at the moment "fire fighting" the pandemic as best we (and others) can. Like many others countries we were not prepared for this and that is what has to change. China was able to mobilise its massive industrial base to tackle the crisis. Those temporary hospitals they built were only possible as they had the capacity to do so. As a small nation we will never have that industrial capacity so we need to start planning and investing in the future once the panic phase is over.
The WHO had been running simulations since 2016 with Virus X (based on SARS) , a potential world wide pandemic to see how it would spread and what would need to be done. Did anyone do anything? When late last year we all saw the outbreak in Wuhan did anyone start preparing? Sticking the head in the sand and saying "ah it is a 100 year event" should not be what comes out of this.
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