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    Sad, but inevitable.
    Print media is struggling worldwide, an in-house niche magazine has no hope in the current environment. Indeed most of the retailers who sold the publication on their magazine shelves are revamping their stores to reflect the current market.
    Before the internet, An Cosantoir was manadatory reading material for anyone interesting in a career in the Defence Forces.
    I know some IMO members were frequent contributors to the magazine. Hopefully this will continue in the new format.
    At least I no longer have to find extra shelf space to store my back issues (since 1983). Hopefully the new format will be in magazine style, and printable, if required.
    Surprised to read it here first though. I would have thought Lt Col Whittaker would have had the decency to email all subscribers first.
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    I'm sorry to see it go too. Long time subscriber as well.

    I suspect that there may not be an email for everyone on the subscriber base due to many being so for years. Also surprised to first get notice of the changes here as my email is on hand with them...

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    Both the Admin & Subs NCOs posts are vacant so that may have something to do with it. Unfortunate

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    I know the editor has been on sick leave for some time also, so it is possible there is nobody home in cosantoir HQ.
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    Will the general public still be able to access it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocinante View Post
    Will the general public still be able to access it?
    The letter seems to suggest that. Most of the subscribers are probably not even in the DF I'd imagine.

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    Some load of bollocks. A lot going on behind the scenes. Magazine was ran into the ground. Ask why no one wants to work there?

    A disgrace.
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    I think one of the issues (pun intended) with An Cosantoir is that due to the size of the organisation, it has been unable to engage in any critical self reflection, be that in the form of letters to the editor, or articles asking hard questions. This is partially due to the fact that the author is more than likely going to be hauled in by the CO after coffee going "What in gods name did you publish that for"


    Personnel are increasingly unwilling to pay for the uncritical unthinking line of "everybody was really tired, but went home happy with the new skills they had learned" buzz that comes off official military magazines(and other feeds such as social media) month in and month out.

    Contrast this to the UK's "Soldier Magazine" "Talkback" section for airing gripes or queries.

    Unless a magazine is willing to engage in critical discussion and reflection then I cannot see it surviving in digital only form. It will become a glorified connect... which it is well on the way to being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Some load of bollocks. A lot going on behind the scenes. Magazine was ran into the ground. Ask why no one wants to work there?

    A disgrace.
    A former RDF colleague of yours and mine ended up working at the magazine, I visited them a few years back on business and to be fair their location in the DFTC did not strike me as a location that would promote a healthy work environment. It's a cave. I don't know how anyone could work there day in, day out.
    DFPR seems to have died a death recently. Only for the PR of the various brigades doing their own thing, and doing it well, the public would have no clue what the DF are at. It does not seem to be a coordinated corporate policy response though.
    Other organisations have people employed full time to handle their social media output. The Garda PR operation, for example is very slick and on message. Everything goes through them. No solo runs. Those who do otherwise are slapped down with the entire might of HQ.
    The question begs, what is Cosantoir supposed to be? Is it a publication dealing exclusively with the activities of the defence forces, both current and historic? Or is it a publication giving an Irish Defence forces reportage of it's activities and worldwide military news stories relevant to the Irish situation?
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    Since FG assumed office, DOD have stood on the neck of DFPB. Everything has to be given the okay by the civi that does not know what it means but is looking at the media and PR spin

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    The Powers that be should not let this happen. 80 years people FFS.

    As for content. The magazine had become a glorified Historical society publication with more pages given over to past events then current. Compare this with the UK magazine Soldier which features articles on Unit exercises,equipment updates, soldier welfare issues and lifestyle features such as film,music,book and game reviews etc. No wonder the younger soldier wasn't buying An Cos.

    Our own "Newsletters" the last few years have been a joke.Created to free up space in the Cos. for more "indepth" articles.They went from once a month,free for everyone, to once a quarter and when you consider the centrespreads had recently become all posters instead of news snippets they were pretty useless for their intended purpose. They were free for a while on the An Cos. Website. Taken down over a year ago. Then we had the shortlived ICD on IKON and the members area on Military.IE. Died a death the last few months also.

    Internal comms my arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    A former RDF colleague of yours and mine ended up working at the magazine, I visited them a few years back on business and to be fair their location in the DFTC did not strike me as a location that would promote a healthy work environment. It's a cave. I don't know how anyone could work there day in, day out.
    DFPR seems to have died a death recently. Only for the PR of the various brigades doing their own thing, and doing it well, the public would have no clue what the DF are at. It does not seem to be a coordinated corporate policy response though.
    Other organisations have people employed full time to handle their social media output. The Garda PR operation, for example is very slick and on message. Everything goes through them. No solo runs. Those who do otherwise are slapped down with the entire might of HQ.
    The question begs, what is Cosantoir supposed to be? Is it a publication dealing exclusively with the activities of the defence forces, both current and historic? Or is it a publication giving an Irish Defence forces reportage of it's activities and worldwide military news stories relevant to the Irish situation?
    Is it still in the grounds of St Bricins hospital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Is it still in the grounds of St Bricins hospital?
    The Printing Press is. DFPB is located in the Curragh

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Is it still in the grounds of St Bricins hospital?
    An Cosantóir offices are in DFTC also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    An Cosantóir offices are in DFTC also
    There is no quicker way to make something irrelevant than making it obscure and it's existence uncertain. The Cosantoir needs clout to comment and air points of view on everyday military and military family matters. I always thought it was housed near D.Int, in days of yore at Parkgate. We seem to be good at making things homeless.

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    It is located as far from anything operational in the Defence Forces it may as well be based in the Junior Ministers constituency office in Wexico. No windows of use so those who work there couldn't even see anything interesting happening outside if they wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    There is no quicker way to make something irrelevant than making it obscure and it's existence uncertain. The Cosantoir needs clout to comment and air points of view on everyday military and military family matters. I always thought it was housed near D.Int, in days of yore at Parkgate. We seem to be good at making things homeless.
    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    It is located as far from anything operational in the Defence Forces it may as well be based in the Junior Ministers constituency office in Wexico. No windows of use so those who work there couldn't even see anything interesting happening outside if they wanted to.
    I’ve subscribed since around 1997/98, in that era their was the odd opinion type article, generally looking at what other countries were doing. They very occasionally appear still.

    When you look back thought the archives it was probably more so looking out than in. That void is now arguable filled by DF Review.

    They can only publish the articles sent into them....

    For at least 20 years or so, An Cosantoir has been part of PR Branch under office of COS.

    I would say 1MIC and 1ACS would feel that they are operational units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    I’ve subscribed since around 1997/98, in that era their was the odd opinion type article, generally looking at what other countries were doing. They very occasionally appear still.

    When you look back thought the archives it was probably more so looking out than in. That void is now arguable filled by DF Review.

    They can only publish the articles sent into them....

    For at least 20 years or so, An Cosantoir has been part of PR Branch under office of COS.

    I would say 1MIC and 1ACS would feel that they are operational units.
    They are, but you can't see them from An Cosantoir offices.
    I don't think you can see anything from the offices except maybe the cars parked outside, and even then.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    I always thought it was housed near D.Int, in days of yore at Parkgate. We seem to be good at making things homeless.
    I remember going in to the offices when they were beside D. Int a few times as an 19/19 year old thinking of joining up, friendly crew, always left with free posters, photos, diaries etc. Seems a strange decision to have moved it from that relatively accessible spot.

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    Their current location reminds me a lot of the quote from Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy.
    But the plans were on display…’
    on display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.’
    `That’s the display department.’
    `With a torch.’
    `Ah, well the lights had probably gone.’
    `So had the stairs.’
    `But look you found the notice didn’t you?’
    `Yes,’ said Arthur, `yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of The Leopard“
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    German 1: That is the bad news.

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