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    Where there is the will there is always a way.
    If the AC & Army wanted and pushed, then it could become a possibility.

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    In the long run, it could be better value to procure a third C295W in tactical airlift configuration, if the costs of converting the CN-235's, hangarage, crew training, maintenance, service life, etc is taken into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    In the long run, it could be better value to procure a third C295W in tactical airlift configuration, if the costs of converting the CN-235's, hangarage, crew training, maintenance, service life, etc is taken into account.
    The cost of conversion is almost nothing as the FITS can be easily removed. Training etc is already taken care of as the CASA's are even today used for transport. And despite what everyone think aircraft are designed to be outside most of their lives. If they have a few years on the life then if would be a lot cheaper than buying new aircraft to retain, but only if they have life remaining.

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    bang on the money! two easily adaptable transport aircraft, already well understood by all of the Corp's users, easy to operate and keep. It's a no-brainer. A C295 pilot can have the 235 on his license,so like any Airbus or Boeing pilot, he or she is covered to fly multiple variants of the same type. Same for the mechs. They have so many hours left on their airframes that it would be a sin to let them go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The cost of conversion is almost nothing as the FITS can be easily removed. Training etc is already taken care of as the CASA's are even today used for transport. And despite what everyone think aircraft are designed to be outside most of their lives. If they have a few years on the life then if would be a lot cheaper than buying new aircraft to retain, but only if they have life remaining.
    You're very underestimating the work and cost that would be required to covert the aircraft from an MPA to tactical airlifter.
    Internally, the mission console has to be removed, the electronics rack has to be removed, miles of wiring for both units has to be removed, the flare launcher has to be removed. It will then have to be rewired, a cargo floor with flippable rollers installed, sidewall seats installed, possibly a second WC.
    Externally, the maritime radar has to be removed, the FLIR has to be removed and fuselage panels then rebuilt.
    It's a lot of work and cost which would require a long stay in Seville.

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    You could easily do it as part of a C check; removal being easier than initial installation and it was allegedly designed for quick removal anyway. The belly radome and radar take about an hour to remove and the outlet for the radar scanner itself is designed to be easily plugged. At one time, the radar was being rapidly switched from one aircraft to another, as there was only one complete functioning radar set. Even from it's initial flights, the mission kit was always designed to be plug and play, so the whole lot can be removed in a few hours. Not as quick as the brochure would have you believe, but still quick enough. The flare launcher is held down by a few bolts and is easily removed and blocked off. Same with the FLIR ball,a few bolts and a cannon plug and a blank goes over the hole. Roller/pallet mover floors already exist for the Casa type and is designed to be a drop-in fit and a control panel and associated wiring is also a dropin fit. The most basic folding seats and parachute static line cable can be fitted in a matter of minutes. Better, airline type seats can be fitted singly or in rows of two or three and they use the existing floor and sidewall mounts. An awful lot of this was thrashed out, back in the days of 250 and the Don got to realise how useful an aircraft the Casa is, compared to the then benchmark of the King Air. Also, by being a tail-loader, the roller floor is less complex than that of an A320 and bigger, as it only needs to move pallets fore and aft,instead of fore, aft and sideways. You can even do away with an electrically operated roller floor and use manual labour to push a pallet on board,via a simple manual roller floor. Fundamentally,it's not that big of a job, which is why I said that it could be incorporated into a C-Check. The floor comes up anyway, for a C check and the ability to get in and lay harnesses speeds up the job. You could certainly turn it around in a month and even do a lot of the removal work in Baldonnel. The value of the mission kit could be used to reduce the cost of conversion.

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