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  • This is a (incomplete) list of aid flights into Beirut, and of course Ireland isn't on it.

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    • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
      This is a (incomplete) list of aid flights into Beirut, and of course Ireland isn't on it.

      In all fairness Ireland given far more in the betterment of Lebanon than most on that list.

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      • Airplanes from world Nations carrying emergency aid to Lebanon.[translated]

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        • Of interest is the Bangladeshi Air Force flights using their ex UK RAF C130J Hercules into Beirut. As usual the bean counters missed a bargain there, especially as senior Air Corps officers specified that they needed Long Range MR aircraft, like the USCG Hercs. Two fitted out for MR and three for transport with full support package from Marshalls would look bloody smart now.
          Sarsfield

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          • Originally posted by Sarsfield View Post
            Of interest is the Bangladeshi Air Force flights using their ex UK RAF C130J Hercules into Beirut. As usual the bean counters missed a bargain there, especially as senior Air Corps officers specified that they needed Long Range MR aircraft, like the USCG Hercs. Two fitted out for MR and three for transport with full support package from Marshalls would look bloody smart now.
            Maybe ICG can get together with Civil Defence and get a few Hercs

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            • Some very interesting pics on the IAC Twitter account of the second aid delivery by a CASA to Beirut. Aircraft fully loaded with pallets full length around the MPA operators console.

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              • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                Some very interesting pics on the IAC Twitter account of the second aid delivery by a CASA to Beirut. Aircraft fully loaded with pallets full length around the MPA operators console.
                There is also a nice video of the new IAC weekly flight to Beirut.
                https://twitter.com/i/status/1295387992803155974

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                • Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
                  He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
                  So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
                    He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
                    So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
                    "Rome was not built in a day"

                    The department is still the same as it has been for the past nearly 100 years, it cannot be expected to change.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
                      He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
                      So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
                      Sadly is anyone really surprised, meanwhile apart from the airlifts to Lebanon, we have Mali having a coup and no easy way to withdraw our troops if needed unless someone else brings them out.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
                        He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
                        So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
                        If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

                        The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

                        Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

                        Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.

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                        • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                          If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

                          The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

                          Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

                          Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.
                          It would be interesting to know just how many hours in a transport role would be left on the current aircraft.

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                          • Another troop rotation this week to Kosovo by the CASA.

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                            • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                              If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

                              The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

                              Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

                              Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.
                              The problem is/was that "can do/make do" has always been the default setting in the Don, from mundane stuff like the provision of clothing to capital stuff like the acquisition of aircraft and permanent buildings and infrastructure. Do more with less. It should be written on the cap badge, the sides of the aircraft and the main gate. While it's admirable in one sense, it shouldn't be the operating philosophy behind an air arm.

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                              • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                                It would be interesting to know just how many hours in a transport role would be left on the current aircraft.
                                JJ is dead right. If they were operated as cargo aircraft, they essentially could "go around the clock" and do as many hours again, because the jolting and exposure to salt water, in low level ops they recieve as MARPAT aircraft doesnt apply to routine freight work, going A to B at high altitude. An equivalent ATR for a regional airline would easily make 30,000 hrs before being scrapped or parted out.

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