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  • We are now more than a week since the discussion about returning the two officers from DRC started, are they back? do we know when they will be back?
    Why if it is proving difficult to hire a commercial air taxi do we not ask the Swedes or the Dutch?
    Both have GIV-SP's which could do the trip in a single hop.

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    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      We are now more than a week since the discussion about returning the two officers from DRC started, are they back? do we know when they will be back?
      Why if it is proving difficult to hire a commercial air taxi do we not ask the Swedes or the Dutch?
      Both have GIV-SP's which could do the trip in a single hop.
      If they had sent the LR-45 it would be back now.. Decision making should not be left in the Hands of the DOD.

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      • Originally posted by Charlie252 View Post
        If they had sent the LR-45 it would be back now.. Decision making should not be left in the Hands of the DOD.
        It is possibly security on the ground that is the issue.

        Why has the UN FC pulled them back into a UN compound if they are at risk?

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          It is possibly security on the ground that is the issue.

          Why has the UN FC pulled them back into a UN compound if they are at risk?
          Yeah buy they don't have to night stop in the DRC, just get in grab the Troops and get out, Gomo is only 450nm from Nairobi..
          Last edited by Charlie252; 22 May 2020, 11:02.

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          • Actually when you spend five minutes you can come up with a workable plan, bare with me...

            You have Cairo and Nairobi as good Fuel and Night stop locations en-route, both have Irish Embassey's.

            EIME-HECA-HKJK, is about 4000nm(might need a splash and dash en-route to HECA), its a long day in a LR-45 but its doable, next day Hop into GOMO get the troops back to Nairobi, jobs done, take your time traveling home.

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            • The problem is very possibly on the ground in Goma both on the ground in the airport and for the personnel getting to the airport.

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              • Note on DF Facebook page says UNIFIL rotation confirmed for 21st and 29th June

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  The problem is very possibly on the ground in Goma both on the ground in the airport and for the personnel getting to the airport.
                  Very possibly, but if the jet was in Nairobi it could be there in an hour and the crew could stay in the Embassey waiting for the call..

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                  • Originally posted by Charlie252 View Post
                    Very possibly, but if the jet was in Nairobi it could be there in an hour and the crew could stay in the Embassey waiting for the call..
                    There is no Irish embassy in DRC, it is in Nairobi


                    The 2 personnel live in a location “outside the wire” in Goma. The FHQ is in Goma (as is the airport not sure if co-located).

                    There is a security threat to foreigners in DRC at the the moment.

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                    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      There is no Irish embassy in DRC, it is in Nairobi


                      The 2 personnel live in a location “outside the wire” in Goma. The FHQ is in Goma (as is the airport not sure if co-located).

                      There is a security threat to foreigners in DRC at the the moment.
                      Google Maps shows, what looks like, a UN camp at the airport.
                      It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                      It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                      It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                      It was the year everything changed.

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        There is no Irish embassy in DRC, it is in Nairobi


                        The 2 personnel live in a location “outside the wire” in Goma. The FHQ is in Goma (as is the airport not sure if co-located).

                        There is a security threat to foreigners in DRC at the the moment.
                        As I said Embassey in Nairobi, Aircraft and Crew can standby there and wait for the Call..

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                        • Originally posted by Charlie252 View Post
                          As I said Embassey in Nairobi, Aircraft and Crew can standby there and wait for the Call..
                          It isn’t clear that they can even get to the FHQ

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                          • If they can't get to the FHQ then a charter aircraft is not going to help.
                            Neither would sending a business jet no matter what size.

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                            • That's why you need a bigger aircraft capable of bringing a group of people capable of expediting the safe delivery of these two officers from their current location to a safe aircraft for immediate departure home.

                              We need to consider going forward, seeing as the UN clearly gives no consideration to it, the capability to deploy, and repatriate, all our people whom we deploy around the world to act on behalf of the state.
                              We cannot hope that another nation will look after our people. We are playing big boys rules now, we aren't a developing nation any more.
                              We are willing to deploy people anywhere overseas to show the world what great humanitarians the irish state is. When it goes wrong, it is no longer the Irish State that has the problem, it is the Defence forces.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • I was under the impression that there are 20,000 UN troops from all nations already in DRC. If they can't protect two men, what's an external force going to do?

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