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    This is a (incomplete) list of aid flights into Beirut, and of course Ireland isn't on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    This is a (incomplete) list of aid flights into Beirut, and of course Ireland isn't on it.

    In all fairness Ireland given far more in the betterment of Lebanon than most on that list.

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    Airplanes from world Nations carrying emergency aid to Lebanon.[translated]


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    Of interest is the Bangladeshi Air Force flights using their ex UK RAF C130J Hercules into Beirut. As usual the bean counters missed a bargain there, especially as senior Air Corps officers specified that they needed Long Range MR aircraft, like the USCG Hercs. Two fitted out for MR and three for transport with full support package from Marshalls would look bloody smart now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarsfield View Post
    Of interest is the Bangladeshi Air Force flights using their ex UK RAF C130J Hercules into Beirut. As usual the bean counters missed a bargain there, especially as senior Air Corps officers specified that they needed Long Range MR aircraft, like the USCG Hercs. Two fitted out for MR and three for transport with full support package from Marshalls would look bloody smart now.
    Maybe ICG can get together with Civil Defence and get a few Hercs

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    Some very interesting pics on the IAC Twitter account of the second aid delivery by a CASA to Beirut. Aircraft fully loaded with pallets full length around the MPA operators console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    Some very interesting pics on the IAC Twitter account of the second aid delivery by a CASA to Beirut. Aircraft fully loaded with pallets full length around the MPA operators console.
    There is also a nice video of the new IAC weekly flight to Beirut.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1295387992803155974

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    Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
    He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
    So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
    He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
    So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
    "Rome was not built in a day"

    The department is still the same as it has been for the past nearly 100 years, it cannot be expected to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
    He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
    So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
    Sadly is anyone really surprised, meanwhile apart from the airlifts to Lebanon, we have Mali having a coup and no easy way to withdraw our troops if needed unless someone else brings them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Don Lavery on twitter is saying the DoD have ruled out any further Transport aircraft purchase.
    He hasn't been incorrect lately, he had the 4th PC12 when everyone else was saying it was a demo/lease, He had the C295 before anyone else.
    So much for new minister, new secgen, cleen sweep of DoD.
    If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

    The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

    Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

    Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

    The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

    Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

    Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.
    It would be interesting to know just how many hours in a transport role would be left on the current aircraft.

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    Another troop rotation this week to Kosovo by the CASA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    If money is looking tight for the foreseeable the repurposing of the current CASAs might be of interest again.

    The current thinking that you absolutely must retire an aircraft to justify replacing it seems to be the problem. If there's life left in them why not? 20,000 hours per aircraft currently.

    Flying point A to point B is a lot easier on an airframe than repeated high-lo-high mission profiles over salt water.

    Fair play to the IAC. The recent can do/make do attitude is refreshing and hopefully a sign of more to come.
    The problem is/was that "can do/make do" has always been the default setting in the Don, from mundane stuff like the provision of clothing to capital stuff like the acquisition of aircraft and permanent buildings and infrastructure. Do more with less. It should be written on the cap badge, the sides of the aircraft and the main gate. While it's admirable in one sense, it shouldn't be the operating philosophy behind an air arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    It would be interesting to know just how many hours in a transport role would be left on the current aircraft.
    JJ is dead right. If they were operated as cargo aircraft, they essentially could "go around the clock" and do as many hours again, because the jolting and exposure to salt water, in low level ops they recieve as MARPAT aircraft doesnt apply to routine freight work, going A to B at high altitude. An equivalent ATR for a regional airline would easily make 30,000 hrs before being scrapped or parted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    The problem is/was that "can do/make do" has always been the default setting in the Don, from mundane stuff like the provision of clothing to capital stuff like the acquisition of aircraft and permanent buildings and infrastructure. Do more with less. It should be written on the cap badge, the sides of the aircraft and the main gate. While it's admirable in one sense, it shouldn't be the operating philosophy behind an air arm.

    It’s a military wide philosophy worldwide

    The problem is in Ireland it is that it is used, for far too long, as an excuse not to provide more resources... heaven forbid the DF May be able to complete their tasks more efficiently or complete additional tasks (and that is not the DF’s fault)

    In the last few years the DF have finally realised that the default answer isn’t yes we can do that and that when capabilities are taken off line people notice and something is done (eg Baldonnel ATC, naval vessel tie ups)

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    In purely an air freight role, it would take us a while to get to 30,000hrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    In purely an air freight role, it would take us a while to get to 30,000hrs.
    Is the decision to get rid carved in stone (i.e. has someone’s name attached who will look silly if it is reversed)?
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    The two aircraft will have been in service for around 30 years, by the time their replacements arrive. How much life is left is not just a look at the number of hours, but the type of hours as well as cycles, hence my earlier question (#237). Flying in a pure transport role is usually less demanding than low level maritime work, and given that the yearly totals would be also less it could be that there would be a few years service available.

    Roughly each aircraft has done around 15,000 hrs based upon publicly available figures. But as pointed out that does not mean there is still the same amount available, but even if there was only 2000-3000 hours still available that would give at least 5-10 years in a transport role. So why not re-purpose? (If there are airframe hours available)

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    if you had two Casas, as freighters, you'd probably end up giving more parachuting air time to those who genuinely need it. You'd also be able to set up a near full time airlift to Kosovo/Lebanon and any other point of interest in Europe and the near Middle East/ North Africa. You'd be able to lift more medevacs in a relatively spacious hull. It would definitely be worth it, to retain them as freighters, even if you limited their annual flight hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The two aircraft will have been in service for around 30 years, by the time their replacements arrive. How much life is left is not just a look at the number of hours, but the type of hours as well as cycles, hence my earlier question (#237). Flying in a pure transport role is usually less demanding than low level maritime work, and given that the yearly totals would be also less it could be that there would be a few years service available.

    Roughly each aircraft has done around 15,000 hrs based upon publicly available figures. But as pointed out that does not mean there is still the same amount available, but even if there was only 2000-3000 hours still available that would give at least 5-10 years in a transport role. So why not re-purpose? (If there are airframe hours available)
    Both A/C have over 20000 hrs now, second one reached it while delivering PPE to Lebanon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    if you had two Casas, as freighters, you'd probably end up giving more parachuting air time to those who genuinely need it. You'd also be able to set up a near full time airlift to Kosovo/Lebanon and any other point of interest in Europe and the near Middle East/ North Africa. You'd be able to lift more medevacs in a relatively spacious hull. It would definitely be worth it, to retain them as freighters, even if you limited their annual flight hours.
    Not without an increase in establishment and strength

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    [QUOTE=DeV;481732]Not without an increase in establishment and strength[/QUOT

    Strength the issue due to lack of retention of other ranks

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    Two pilots and a loadie per flight; half a dozen people to refuel, unload and inspect it (and the rest)on the turnaround. It really doesnt take much to operate a small turboprop. All you'd have to do is give it an annual hourly limit, say a max of a thousand hrs a year and you'd only break that in an emergency and you'd easily afford it. Run it on a power by the hour basis and it's even cheaper, including training flights. You can plot most of your maintenance well in advance. If it flies for the HSE,bill them. If it acts as a top cover radio link,bill the Coastguard. If it does a run for the DFA,bill them. Even if it does a lift for the Rangers, take a wedge out of their subhead. Make the aircraft work for it's keep. The Polish Air Force use Casas to provide airlift for their Police. The PC-12s are good aircraft but there's no substitute for cubic metres and two Casas would lift enough pallets to make them viable.

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    [QUOTE=Spark23;481742]
    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Not without an increase in establishment and strength[/QUOT

    Strength the issue due to lack of retention of other ranks
    And officers!


    But what was proposed here is when the C295s arrive keep the C235s... my point is there would need to be an increase in establishment because otherwise the pilots, loadmasters and techs will be from the C295 pool.

    In other words there will be no one to fly them.

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