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  • #61
    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    What RFP is that from Dev?
    Accidental click of the dislike button here, apologies!
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    • #62
      Belgium has a nice A321, introduced in 2014. One of it's first jobs was a trip to Mali. Belgium leased it from HIFLI.
      Ireland has a long history of aircraft leasing. Surely government could get a competitive deal from one of these companies?
      The Belgian air force's new Airbus A321 was officially presented on 20 May, as a replacement for an A330-300 which had been in use since late 2009. The asset will be used to transport troops and to conduct the emergency evacuation of people and cargo, if required.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #63
        As reported in some media outlets, the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence Leo Varadkar, has asked the Defence Forces to examine the possible acquisition of a military transport aircraft. With the exception of Cyprus and Malta, Ireland is the only country in the EU that does not have its own dedicate

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        • #64


          Slan Dail are doing a webinar on this very subject on 26 May

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          • #65
            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            Belgium has a nice A321, introduced in 2014. One of it's first jobs was a trip to Mali. Belgium leased it from HIFLI.
            Ireland has a long history of aircraft leasing. Surely government could get a competitive deal from one of these companies?
            https://www.flightglobal.com/belgian...0h7SPg.twitter
            HiFly have being providing wet leased aircraft to Belgium for many years now, the have an A380 if you still want one!

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            • #66
              would not surprise me if this is what leo was looking at

              The RAF are looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet, aircraft primarily used to transport the Royal Family and other VIPs.

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              • #67
                We had this discussion before and it doesn't seem to be a popular choice on IMO. However it does appear to be cheap, though whether you would get a C MK3 for EUR 10million... I still am of the opinion that the versatility of the C Mk3 (QC) is what the IAC requires but the expert view is that it is an unreliable aircraft and who am I to argue with that.

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                • #68
                  Well one that is still flyable is a lot better than one that is destined to be used as a ground based training unit for fire & rescue or the ARW.
                  I think though, that it might take five or six trips to move one of overseas deployed units, and in very little comfort for any flight going further than Paris.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Well one that is still flyable is a lot better than one that is destined to be used as a ground based training unit for fire & rescue or the ARW.
                    I think though, that it might take five or six trips to move one of overseas deployed units, and in very little comfort for any flight going further than Paris.
                    Very true. There's no doubt that they are not ideal but when you see amounts of EUR 10 million being mentioned there really is no/little alternative. The comfort may be addressed somewhat in the C MK3 in that in full passenger config it carries 95, presumably 19 rows X 5 compared to its civil equivalent 146-200 112 passengers in 19 rows X 6. The range would also require a refueling stop half way to Beirut/Tel Aviv/Haifa.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by ias View Post
                      Very true. There's no doubt that they are not ideal but when you see amounts of EUR 10 million being mentioned there really is no/little alternative. The comfort may be addressed somewhat in the C MK3 in that in full passenger config it carries 95, presumably 19 rows X 5 compared to its civil equivalent 146-200 112 passengers in 19 rows X 6. The range would also require a refueling stop half way to Beirut/Tel Aviv/Haifa.
                      More likely two refueling stops en-route to Beirut, was a stretch to make it back to Dub from Malaga direct.

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                      • #71
                        The BAe146's that the RAF got are -100's from 1986, one will go to the RAF museum (even if not announced) and the rest will be sold and parted out. BAe stopped making the 146 in 1993 and the next generation RJ was last made in 2000. Given the effect of Covid-19 on the commercial market many of the older aircraft now on the ground will never fly again. This means that there are plenty of new, more efficient, bigger aircraft now available. For $10m today it would be possible to get a Boeing 767-300 that is around 20yrs old.

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                        • #72
                          There is another way to get aircraft, leasing, just as Saab does with the JAS39's. Airbus is not only a manufacturer of aircraft it also finances and leases them so maybe that would be the route to go.

                          So if we convince the Austrians, Finns and Swedes to develop a joint Airlift Wing with the following composition:
                          6x C-295
                          2x A321XLR
                          12x A400M

                          What would it cost per year?
                          Based upon the commercial dry lease rates the bundle would cost around $331m p/a, the operational costs would add $98m p/a based upon 600hr/y, except the A321 which do double. That gives a yearly cost of around $429m, or €373m based upon a $/€ of 1.15.
                          But we would not need to cover the entire cost, so let's say we take 20%, that means a yearly cost of $74m.
                          Last edited by EUFighter; 21 May 2020, 10:34.

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                          • #73
                            Tabloids this morning saying it was fine to Charter a Gulfstream to Extradite a criminal to the USA for the sale of Rhino Horns.
                            And yet our 2 officers remain stuck in Africa...
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              Tabloids this morning saying it was fine to Charter a Gulfstream to Extradite a criminal to the USA for the sale of Rhino Horns.
                              And yet our 2 officers remain stuck in Africa...
                              They left out the bit that the US paid for that flight, not sure if they also organised it

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                They left out the bit that the US paid for that flight, not sure if they also organised it
                                If it was the US Marshals who organised it, then surely it may have even been one of their own aircraft.

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