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  • #46
    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    These aren’t ground surveillance radars that are proposed but air surveillance (Giraffe Mk4 replacement and potentially a Ground based medium range air Surveillance radar.

    I can’t think I remember seeing a LTAV with GSR fitted but open to correction
    Apologies. I missed the A part of GBAD.
    Is Flycatcher gone? How does VSHORAD compare with GBAD? Is it the same?
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
      Apologies. I missed the A part of GBAD.
      Is Flycatcher gone? How does VSHORAD compare with GBAD? Is it the same?
      Flycatcher went with the EL70s long ago

      DF AD is now BOILIDE with Giraffe Mk4 (Hagglunds mounted)

      VSHORAD is as it says short range. GBAD is more encompassing of all ranges, that doesn’t mean we are getting Iron Dome or Patriot of course

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      • #48
        Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
        Apologies. I missed the A part of GBAD.
        Is Flycatcher gone? How does VSHORAD compare with GBAD? Is it the same?
        Definitions are constantly changing in terms of range and altitude.
        GBAD is a generic term meaning all Ground Base Air Defence systems. It could be a MANPAD or a S-400.
        VSHORAD is the latest term Very Short Range Air Defence. It is mainly a MANPAD sized weapon linked to a fire control system and or targeting system.

        Today VSHORAD normally means a range out to 8km, the next grouping is Short Range which goes to about 25-30km, them medium range which can cover out to 80-100km and then above that is long range. But there is no set convention and while one manufacturer may say for a particular range it is MR another will say LR.

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        • #49
          Just an update on equipment projects from what the part-time MfD has been saying.

          52 Mowags upgraded, all completed by 2022.
          28 more AUV's ordered.
          The first of the 120 Scania TCV's to be delivered before the end of the year, all delivered by 2023.
          The P50's MLU is ongoing.
          MRV ship still in planning. (Only the four P60's are still operational, everything else tied up.)
          The Software Defined Radios will not enter service before 2023.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
            Just an update on equipment projects from what the part-time MfD has been saying.

            52 Mowags upgraded, all completed by 2022.
            28 more AUV's ordered.
            The first of the 120 Scania TCV's to be delivered before the end of the year, all delivered by 2023.
            The P50's MLU is ongoing.
            MRV ship still in planning. (Only the four P60's are still operational, everything else tied up.)
            The Software Defined Radios will not enter service before 2023.
            Given this morning's Examiner article on the MRV, has there been a material movement on this project of note? Did the above come from PQs or another announcement?
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
              Just an update on equipment projects from what the part-time MfD has been saying.

              52 Mowags upgraded, all completed by 2022.
              28 more AUV's ordered.
              The first of the 120 Scania TCV's to be delivered before the end of the year, all delivered by 2023.
              The P50's MLU is ongoing.
              MRV ship still in planning. (Only the four P60's are still operational, everything else tied up.)
              The Software Defined Radios will not enter service before 2023.

              Not correct. L.E. Ciara is in planned maintenance which means still operational and on notice for sea.
              L.E. Niamh undergoing repairs and due to sail on completion.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                Not correct. L.E. Ciara is in planned maintenance which means still operational and on notice for sea.
                L.E. Niamh undergoing repairs and due to sail on completion.
                LE Ciara is in the dry dock out of the water, it's not operational and won't be for a while. LE Niamh won't be operational again until late 2021 or 2022.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                  LE Ciara is in the dry dock out of the water, it's not operational and won't be for a while. LE Niamh won't be operational again until late 2021 or 2022.
                  What is a while?.

                  Drydocking periods can go from 2 weeks to 2 month depending on projects planned.


                  The ship still remains on notice for sea regardless.

                  Niamh has yet to commence her MLEP and won't until Roisin is back operational.

                  Niamh will be back in early 2021 after repair are completed.


                  People tend to use the fact that ships are in planned maintainance to declare them "tied up".

                  This is not the case.

                  Ships do not stay at sea 24/7 365. It is impossible to keep them operational without maintenance, and more importantly crew rest.

                  Ciara's drydocking was planned and incorporated into her patrol plan.

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                  • #54


                    Government accidentally leaked the new NDP (2021-2030), I'm not hosting that link.

                    I did a quick skim of it for defence stuff. Pretty much the same as always. Priority projects are:
                    • Upgrade of Armoured Vehicles
                    • Replacement of 4x4 fleet
                    • Replacement of Troop Transport Fleet
                    • Software Defined Radio
                    • Integrated Modular Body Armour
                    • Mid-Life Refit Lé Niamh
                    • Acquisition of a Multi-Role Vessel
                    • C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft
                    "Further projects are scheduled to be progressed over the life time of the NDP."

                    Upgrades to military installations are:
                    • Upgrade of training facilities in Kilkenny and Limerick
                    • Upgrade to USAC student accomodation Galway
                    • Provision of new accomodation block Collins Barracks, Cork
                    • Upgrade to new Military Facility for the Defence Forces at Casement Aerodrome
                    • Provision of refurbished accomodation in McKee Barracks, Dublin
                    • Upgrade to Accomodation in Haulbowline
                    • Provision of new Cadet School in DFTC, Curragh
                    In budgetary terms we're not looking at any surprises

                    Departmental Gross Voted Capital Allocations in € millions
                    2021 2022 2023 2024 2025
                    Defence 131 141 141 142 142
                    I think that would put our military expenditure at 0.3% of GDP for 2022 (including pay and pensions) or something like 1.3% of government spending.

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                    • #55
                      You won't see any change until after CoDF make their findings public.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • #56
                        In other words more or less projects already in train

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                        • #57
                          gov.ie - Minister Coveney welcomes the capital funding allocation for Defence announced in the 2022-2025 NDP (www.gov.ie)
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #58
                            Defence Investment
                            The White Paper on Defence 2015, reinforced by the White Paper Update 2019, sets out the Government’s policy framework for defence. It represents the foundation for defence planning in the medium term and provides for a whole of Government approach to defence and security matters. It identifies the overarching, strategic importance of an effective security and defence provision as a key supporting enabler of national and societal well-being. In that context, Ireland’s long-standing commitment to collective security through membership of the UN and the EU has advanced Ireland’s international standing and supported economic prosperity.


                            Beyond this basic underpinning, the Defence Forces undertake a broad spectrum of operational tasks that can include national supports through the Aid to the Civil Power (ATCP), Aid to the Civil Authority (ATCA), Fishery Protection and Ministerial Air Transport (MATS) roles. Additionally, the Defence Forces can, at any stage, be deployed at minimal notice to a broad range of contingent support tasks - with the Defence Forces multi-faceted contribution to the Covid-19 pandemic a recent example.
                            The capital funding provided under this NDP Review will facilitate investment in the ongoing acquisition and renewal of military equipment and platforms along with the development of Defence Forces built infrastructure. The Defence Equipment Development Plan and the Defence Forces Built Infrastructural Programme set out the required capital investment strategies in line with Defence White Paper policy objectives.
                            The Defence capital allocation will provide further impetus to ongoing and planned Defence capital investment programmes over the coming years - investment which will contribute to enabling the Defence Forces to continue delivering on all key objectives and fulfilling Government requirements into the future, both at home and overseas. Among the priority Defence equipment and platform projects underway are the following:
                            • Upgrade of Armoured Vehicles
                            • Replacement of 4x4 Fleet
                            • Replacement of Troop Transport Fleet
                            • Software Defined Radio Project
                            • Integrated Modular Body Armour System
                            • Mid-life refit of LÉ Niamh
                            • Acquisition of a Multi Role Vessel
                            • C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft Project
                            Further projects are scheduled to be progressed over the life time of the NDP. With very significant property infrastructure across Ireland, and an associated investment and modernisation requirement, Defence will utilise the funding provided by the NDP Review to enhance and modernise this infrastructure as part of the Government’s approach under the NPF. The Defence Forces Built Infrastructure Programme provides a medium-term planning framework for investment in Defence Forces installations over a multi annual timeframe. There are a significant number of projects under way, at various stages of development, in military installations throughout the country, such as:
                            • Upgrade of training facilities in Kilkenny and Limerick;
                            • Upgrade to USAC student accommodation facilities, Galway;
                            • Provision of new Accommodation Block in Collins Barracks, Cork;
                            • Upgrade to new Military Facility for the Defence Forces at Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, Co.
                            • Dublin
                            • Provision of refurbished Accommodation in McKee Barracks, Dublin;
                            • Upgrade to Accommodation in Naval Base, Haulbowline;
                            • Provision of new Cadet School in DFTC, Curragh Co Kildare.


                            Defence
                            • Land Forces Capability Development and Force Protection Programmes.
                            • Ongoing Naval Service Vessel Renewal and Replacement Programme.
                            • Ongoing Air Corps Aircraft Renewal and Replacement Programme.
                            • Ongoing development and enhancement of Defence Forces communications and information technology capabilities.
                            • Ongoing Defence Forces Built Infrastructure Renewal and Development Programme, including appropriate climate change actions under NDP frameworks;
                            a36dd274-736c-4d04-8879-b158e8b95029.pdf (www.gov.ie)
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • #59
                              Yeah unless I’m missing something isn’t this just an utter rehash of things already committed to with little to no additional funding for either new equipment or barracks investment?

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                              • #60
                                Completely disgusted. No radars, no GBADS, no interception capability, no sonars, no replacement for CPVs, no mention of MCM capability, no ability to protect fibre optic ocean cables. Lions led by donkeys. A century of independence and we are still reliant on a nuclear power and NATO member to provide for our national defence. Coveney should resign and the DoD cleared out. The brave underpaid sailors, soldiers and air crews are butt of government neglect and indifference. Defence forces, well there’s an oxymoron. What we have ,equipment wise,is a gendarme, a coastguard and a flight training school. We are an embarrassment amongst our European peers. Rant over. Looking to lie down in a dark room
                                Sarsfield

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