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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Dum te Dum...question would need to be asked if they can't do the job...all bar those who are qualified that is what is their actual appointment as opposed to rank..and why are they needed.

    NSR effective strength is probably less than 200 persons and is no doubt top heavy with SNCOs and at least all the SCPO ranks filled, so why do we need 4 x Lt Cdr ranks when realistically one could do the job.

    The Slua Muiri role if any one wants to look it up included the use of launches for harbour control, ASM was never a practical naval reserve . NSR has come closer to the roleof being an active naval reseve by fully participating in ships crewing operations so why are they now stepping back and dividing their time needlessly.

    The NS don't have super rhibs for pissing about in harbours, so if the NSR is the intended reserve... why do they need them ?...and that auld bollocks about seaman ship experience etc....a week on a OPV of the west coats will give you more experience that puddle jumping in a pleasure craft.
    In fairness it’s no fault of the officers (some are qualified and doing the job replacing NS officers). It isn’t viable for NSR officers to be able to do the same training to be able to undertake the same duties as their NS officers (unless they have external qualifications).

    All if they have those qualifications there would probably be 50% of the time that they wouldn’t be available due to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    In fairness it’s no fault of the officers (some are qualified and doing the job replacing NS officers). It isn’t viable for NSR officers to be able to do the same training to be able to undertake the same duties as their NS officers (unless they have external qualifications).

    All if they have those qualifications there would probably be 50% of the time that they wouldn’t be available due to work.
    Not blaming the officers and do appreciate that they can be effective but realistically the reserve needs to be target to fill appointments as opposed to being the shot gun blast effect, throw enough of them across the gaps across the board and we might hit some
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    In fairness it’s no fault of the officers (some are qualified and doing the job replacing NS officers). It isn’t viable for NSR officers to be able to do the same training to be able to undertake the same duties as their NS officers (unless they have external qualifications).

    All if they have those qualifications there would probably be 50% of the time that they wouldn’t be available due to work.
    Question begs then, if you don't have the qualification to do the job of a naval officer, what point is there to Get promoted to wear a uniform, and have nothing else in common with a NS officer wearing the same uniform?
    Why would you apply for a job you are not qualified to do, knowing you will get it anyway?
    Does the OC of a Medic unit need any medical qualifications, or can an accountant command a medical unit?
    Elephant in the room time.
    The NSR was the only reserve element that survived both reorgs without losing any appointments. Cavalry squadrons became cavalry troops. Artillery regiments became batterys. Infantry battalions became firstly companies, then Platoons.
    But the NSR remained with its current structure and establishment. And still only 1 of its 4 units are located in a working port (A barracks a few miles away doesn't count).
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Question begs then, if you don't have the qualification to do the job of a naval officer, what point is there to Get promoted to wear a uniform, and have nothing else in common with a NS officer wearing the same uniform?
    Why would you apply for a job you are not qualified to do, knowing you will get it anyway?
    time (and role) has changed I suppose over the last 20 years

    Does the OC of a Medic unit need any medical qualifications, or can an accountant command a medical unit?
    actually one of the head CMU appointments is a line appointment - think it is OC CMU

    The NSR was the only reserve element that survived both reorgs without losing any appointments. Cavalry squadrons became cavalry troops. Artillery regiments became batterys. Infantry battalions became firstly companies, then Platoons.
    But the NSR remained with its current structure and establishment. And still only 1 of its 4 units are located in a working port (A barracks a few miles away doesn't count).
    No 1 and 2 Coys ASM were merged

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    That was 2005?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    That was 2005?
    Think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Question begs then, if you don't have the qualification to do the job of a naval officer, what point is there to Get promoted to wear a uniform, and have nothing else in common with a NS officer wearing the same uniform?
    Why would you apply for a job you are not qualified to do, knowing you will get it anyway?
    Does the OC of a Medic unit need any medical qualifications, or can an accountant command a medical unit?
    Elephant in the room time.
    The NSR was the only reserve element that survived both reorgs without losing any appointments. Cavalry squadrons became cavalry troops. Artillery regiments became batterys. Infantry battalions became firstly companies, then Platoons.
    But the NSR remained with its current structure and establishment. And still only 1 of its 4 units are located in a working port (A barracks a few miles away doesn't count).
    The Saga of the then SM was to establish the then 5 Companies in Barracks associated with ports. The highlights of their year was ARP's, followed by a "Shoot" at Kilcoran Co. Tipperary, and the Summer Camp with whalers at Fort Davis in Crosshaven. The ethic of the organisation with terms like No1 Company was more parade ground and Army but the latent aspiration was to be associated with the Navy. It is a duty now by the State to make them a viable NSR by training and by ongoing self study through a qualifying program for watchkeepers. The Naval operational scene is unique in that peace or war they function at sea at almost the same level of alertness and intensity. On-the-Job training is a continuum aboard ship in Navies and is possibly a reason that the RN are using alongside modern vessels as training units. With a positive outlook and encouragement the NSR could be a seagoing reserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    We had same problem in the old days with panhard. No problem getting 4x4 154, but the issues cropped up when they needed to do a truck course. Couldn't be got, either trucks weren't available or instructors were needed elsewhere.
    We could do every other car course no problem, except driver. Gunnery we did over 11 weekends and 1 full time week. (plus revision on weekly parade nights). Gunnery Instructor was also readily available to whoever wanted to do it after they completed Gunnery.
    The Problem seemed to lie with D/Transport who approved the driving instructors and issued the 154.
    Similar happened in the early days of Mowag. APC was an infantry vehicle, infantry driving instructors trained infantry drivers.
    When Cav got mowags, suddenly infantry driving instructors couldn't instruct cavalry drivers because Cavalry mowag was not an infantry vehicle.
    It's all bullshit.
    Yeh the change from Panhards to Mowags has meant previous RDF Cavalry personnel, who were qualified instructors on the AMLs, are now back to square one, having to requalify as first crew members, then drivers, with all the time investment that goes with it

    To correct a point, 154s on armour are issued by D ISTAR, not D TPT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Yeh the change from Panhards to Mowags has meant previous RDF Cavalry personnel, who were qualified instructors on the AMLs, are now back to square one, having to requalify as first crew members, then drivers, with all the time investment that goes with it

    To correct a point, 154s on armour are issued by D ISTAR, not D TPT.
    Fair enough, this was back when the Cav mowags first arrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The Saga of the then SM was to establish the then 5 Companies in Barracks associated with ports. The highlights of their year was ARP's, followed by a "Shoot" at Kilcoran Co. Tipperary, and the Summer Camp with whalers at Fort Davis in Crosshaven. The ethic of the organisation with terms like No1 Company was more parade ground and Army but the latent aspiration was to be associated with the Navy. It is a duty now by the State to make them a viable NSR by training and by ongoing self study through a qualifying program for watchkeepers. The Naval operational scene is unique in that peace or war they function at sea at almost the same level of alertness and intensity. On-the-Job training is a continuum aboard ship in Navies and is possibly a reason that the RN are using alongside modern vessels as training units. With a positive outlook and encouragement the NSR should be a seagoing reserve.
    Only one work in that I would change... could.. to should.
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    Question begs then, if you don't have the qualification to do the job of a naval officer, what point is there to Get promoted to wear a uniform, and have nothing else in common with a NS officer wearing the same uniform?
    Debatable, my relative did 40 years plus in NS, retired as a Lt CDR....one days sea time in all that time, the only ship that ever held appointment for non qualified officers was L.E. Eithne, Supplies officer was non deck or engineer qualified. Held by a failed watch keeper and and a promoted NCO in my time. Both capable officers but non trade qualified, o there is a niche for Admin qualified people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Debatable, my relative did 40 years plus in NS, retired as a Lt CDR....one days sea time in all that time, the only ship that ever held appointment for non qualified officers was L.E. Eithne, Supplies officer was non deck or engineer qualified. Held by a failed watch keeper and and a promoted NCO in my time. Both capable officers but non trade qualified, o there is a niche for Admin qualified people.
    Then surely this is somewhere the Non Watchkeeping NSR officers should be throwing themselves? If CIS is anything to go by, an outside eye could do wonders for some of the systems in place there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Then surely this is somewhere the Non Watchkeeping NSR officers should be throwing themselves? If CIS is anything to go by, an outside eye could do wonders for some of the systems in place there.
    Nah the system is fcuked from the inside, a reservist is not going to change it...ffs look what happened they left a reservist loose on the RDF for a RE org. Until specific skills for logs roles are identified and specifically advertised for and people are commission directly into to those roles all me have really is OiC GoH and OODs in the base.

    Our reserve doesn't target the right groups and employ them accordingly when identified.. Have an IT guy working with me, ex Brits TA Logs driver,tow Afghan tours behind him, the DF couldn't find a role for him in the Covid outbreak other than his current appointment as an infantry Cpl
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    that's as long as they don't want outsiders coming in and taking cushy posts. There have been quite a few attempts to bring in civvies into the DF to "improve" things and the civvies were essentially intimidated to do as little as possible, to prevent the inmates from being shown up.

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