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    I think the intention was to have all flat tops F35 capable and I'm not sure if the Tarawa are large enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    I think the intention was to have all flat tops F35 capable and I'm not sure if the Tarawa are large enough
    That was the intention, it was the purpose of the refit that the Bonhomme Richard was in for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    That was the intention, it was the purpose of the refit that the Bonhomme Richard was in for.
    Well the Wasp were designed as an upgrade to the Tarawa to take fixed wing and LCAC, so I doubt it would be worthwhile for an in reserve Tarawa to replace a Pre-conversion wasp. Tarawa can't take LCAC either. No longer fits the Marine Expeditionary group picture of Ospreys, LCACS and F35s. It was designed to work fine for AMTRAKs, Sea Knights and Hueycobras.
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    This may be an odd question. But are the US Naval vessels insured for damages of this nature(accidental fire during maintenance rather than combat)? Or is it the taxpayer footing the bill?
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    Depends where the blame will be laid. I'd say USN are trying to pass it onto a Civvy Contractor, but ultimately it happened on their property so I'd say the US taxpayer will foot the bill from an already gigantic defence budget.
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    That there is a large heat generated hole in the flight deck, and part of the superstructure has collapsed.
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    Even for the US defence budget I wonder is this too much damage for her to be economically viable for repair? I mean that level of heat must have weakened the steel all over the place.

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    For a ship of her age, with a full upper deck rebuild required, as well as a total rewiring, better off just scrap her now and wait for the next America class to replace her.
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    had the dockyard handed her back after the refit ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    had the dockyard handed her back after the refit ?
    Think not, the main deck was still covered in construction containers and equipment. Odds are it was hot work that went wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Think not, the main deck was still covered in construction containers and equipment. Odds are it was hot work that went wrong.
    Think the Admiral has said there wasn't any current active work (given it was 8.30am on a Sunday I'd be surprised), could it have been something from the day before that wasn't watched? Given they've admitted that the space had plenty of construction related crap in it (Drywall, rags, oil etc) it had plenty of material as soon as it caught. Reports that they are still fighting two fires, one in the bow, one stern, but that they've got to the engineering sections and there's no fire there.

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    Fires still burning and they had to pull the fire fighting teams off last night as she reverted from her starboard list to a strong Port list onto the Pier Side, the teams returned this morning but her list is pretty damn clear in some photo's now. Also some more photo's of the interior after the last couple of days:
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    https://twitter.com/CavasShips/statu...63868297236481

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    And the Navy is reporting that all fires are out, interesting angle from the back clearly shows the list, the well deck entrance was well above water yesterday now almost in the water:
    https://twitter.com/CavasShips/statu...209856/photo/3

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    meh pump all that water on top of fire it has to go somewhere .... bilge pump wiring is probably all burned out so I reckon now the fires out they can pump it all out ...
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    Interesting thread on the story so far.
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    . US Navy investigates massive four-day USS Bonhomme blaze
    The US Navy has launched an investigation into a massive blaze aboard the USS Bonhomme Richard that took four days to put out.

    The fire aboard the US aircraft carrier injured at least 40 sailors and 23 civilians.

    It is not yet known whether the ship can survive the damage caused by the fire that broke out on 12 July in San Diego, where the Bonhomme is docked.

    The Navy is investigating the cause of the fire and emergency preparedness.
    On Friday, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Mike Gilday will travel to San Diego to inspect the ship amid the probe. "This is a very, very serious incident that I think will force the Navy to stand back and reevaluate itself," Adm Gilday told Defense News.

    The Navy must be prepared to issue an honest assessment of the incident and do something about it, he said. A previous internal study in 2012 had found that the US Navy had been accepting higher and higher fire risks in its operations.

    "Could there be another Bonhomme Richard waiting to happen?" he asked "I'm not waiting for 'number two' to decide we have a trend here."
    The USS Bonhomme Richard, an amphibious assault ship, was commissioned in 1998 and is among the few US warships from which an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter can take off.

    Repair would likely take months and hundreds of millions of dollars, but a new ship could cost as much as $4bn, according to one expert estimate.

    A fire was first reported on board the 40,000-ton ship while in port at Naval Base San Diego on Sunday morning, local time.

    The Navy helicopters carried more than 1,500 water bucket drops and tug boats sprayed water on the vessel's side to cool it down in attempt to contain the blaze, US media reported. The fire sent plumes of black smoke billowing into the air and the ravaged ship's melted aluminium superstructure bent at a 45-degree angle as flames engulfed the ship.

    Sixty-three personnel suffered injuries, namely heat exhaustion and smoke inhalation while battling the blaze. None of the injuries are life-threatening, the Navy said.
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    What ship classes can an F-35 operate from ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    What ship classes can an F-35 operate from ?
    The Wasps and the newer America's for the B in the USN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    What ship classes can an F-35 operate from ?
    Anything big enough to take a AV8 in the past, basically all LHA and LHD and CVs, but not the older LPH or LSDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Anything big enough to take a AV8 in the past, basically all LHA and LHD and CVs, but not the older LPH or LSDs.
    Don't think the older Tarawa class LHA's can.

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    Don't think the older Tarawa class LHA's can.
    Also wasnt the BHR in the dockyard to be converted to handle them ?
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    To operate F-35 the Wasp class needs to have mainly an upgraded deck to cope with the high exhaust gases from the F-35 engines and the additional loads generated. These changes the Spanish, Italian and Japanese navies will have to do also to their vessels to allow them to operate the F-35.

    There are two Tarawa class in reserve which could be reactivated with AV-8B's to cover until the remaining Wasp class have completed their refits and an additional America class is ordered and built. Yard capacity may be a limiting factor in getting a replacement completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Don't think the older Tarawa class LHA's can.
    I didn't include Tarawa as those that have not been sunk or scrapped are in reserve.
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    A hot take from the CNO on the material state:
    https://breakingdefense.com/2020/07/...rd-cno-gilday/
    Basically, "yeah we could rebuild her, but should we?" Meanwhile the USN ordered a safety standard as one of her sister ships on the East Coast also had a dockyard fire though it was minor and dealt with and the JFK under construction reportedly had a minor fire as well.

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