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  • #91
    Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Well, no tbh, it's not going away and it's going to be an issue throughout that period. It's active at both the international level at the OECD and at the EU level, and we are earning no friends with our stance on digital tax stance. Our GDP figures are bullshit and we can't ignore that.

    But Australia makes no sense, it's a high end mid tier nation I don't see the relevance to us. If you want to go your list then there's no reason to exclude how the USN or RN do the same thing even though they are still well above what we are.
    The RAN could also help with how to deal with stupid politicians on committees:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYF08jJi9Hg

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    • #92
      Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      The point is not to see if the Armidale's would be a suitable boat for us but to gain an insight into their experience doing a 3crew/2ship rotation, which was designed to increase the sea time of the boats. What did they find as the pro and cons both for the crews and for the vessels. What lessons will incorporate into the Arafura class ? How did they divide up what missions are performed by which vessel type and how do they transform that into requirements. And then too see if any of those lessons could be applied to our NS.
      We can’t even manage 1 crew per vessel when it is suppose to be 1.3 ..... never mind 1.5

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      • #93
        Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        The RAN could also help with how to deal with stupid politicians on committees:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYF08jJi9Hg
        Proof if it were ever needed, Racists are Dumb.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • #94
          Nice twitter post showing some of the vessels off the west coast

          https://twitter.com/koceallaigh/stat...07437374259201

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          • #95
            Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
            Nice twitter post showing some of the vessels off the west coast

            https://twitter.com/koceallaigh/stat...07437374259201
            Historical photos should be added, Type 42s and Ark Royal class long gone
            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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            • #96
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              Historical photos should be added, Type 42s and Ark Royal class long gone
              The Kuznetsov might not be seen again!

              These were just some that were put up on Twitter but if someone has complied a "rogues gallery" on Flicker etc it would be nice to know

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              • #97
                Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                The Kuznetsov might not be seen again!

                These were just some that were put up on Twitter but if someone has complied a "rogues gallery" on Flicker etc it would be nice to know
                No need for radar when looking for the Kuznetsov , if you see a large plume of smoke over the horizon you'll know what it is .
                Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                • #98
                  I wonder had the recent submarine activities anything to d with the pod of whales that died in Donegal yesterday

                  These were just some that were put up on Twitter but if someone has complied a "rogues gallery" on Flicker etc it would be nice to know
                  Easy for this guy to have photos when the 'company was paying for them, reckon he's a Casa pilot. I have a couple I took on Purple Warrior 87 but very poor but a nice one of a Russian Intelligence gatherer....didn't have a good camera back in the day, just a little Pentax 'Zoom 70.'
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Laners View Post
                    No need for radar when looking for the Kuznetsov , if you see a large plume of smoke over the horizon you'll know what it is .
                    Or it could just be' Debbie' Byrnes 'Blackpudding Coddle'
                    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                    • There are rumours that the RN plans to sell some Type 23 FFGs to Greece.
                      The oldest was Comissioned in 1991, the newest in 2002. Cost £130m each when new. There recent refits saw updated Sonar, 3d Radar, etc
                      They were planning to start decommissioning in 2023.
                      Would there be any advantage to the Irish Naval service getting 2, if offered at a knockdown bargain price?
                      Crew of 185 (accom for 205) would to me be the main hurdle.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        There are rumours that the RN plans to sell some Type 23 FFGs to Greece.
                        The oldest was Comissioned in 1991, the newest in 2002. Cost £130m each when new. There recent refits saw updated Sonar, 3d Radar, etc
                        They were planning to start decommissioning in 2023.
                        Would there be any advantage to the Irish Naval service getting 2, if offered at a knockdown bargain price?
                        Crew of 185 (accom for 205) would to me be the main hurdle.
                        And finding the a few hundred million euro to buy them. Also the infrastructure cost of training for all of the new equipment and roles that don't exist in the NS. Mammoth undertaking.

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                        • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
                          And finding the a few hundred million euro to buy them. Also the infrastructure cost of training for all of the new equipment and roles that don't exist in the NS. Mammoth undertaking.
                          Mammoth or not is not a reason for not trying to make the Naval service fit for purpose. We spent weeks in Gibraltar with full crews, taking the CMS's to sea with RN mentoring until we were released to sail home across the bay of Biscay. The price would be low in relative terms. Biggest problem would be crew which perhaps could be adapted to a lesser number. Could be done with an embedded package to cover training, maintenance etc.

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                          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            Mammoth or not is not a reason for not trying to make the Naval service fit for purpose. We spent weeks in Gibraltar with full crews, taking the CMS's to sea with RN mentoring until we were released to sail home across the bay of Biscay. The price would be low in relative terms. Biggest problem would be crew which perhaps could be adapted to a lesser number. Could be done with an embedded package to cover training, maintenance etc.
                            We are talking years

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                            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              We are talking years
                              Agreed. It would need to be a long term goal. Would need to be planned well in advance with a training pipeline waiting on the ships (think what the RN did when they brought back their carrier capabilities in recent years).

                              Would be a half a decade I'd think. Would also need to stabilise current issues with NS manning before you look at such an expansion. Multiples of current crew sizes to man one ship in a useful way.

                              Also believe it would only really be useful if we were in NATO with a NATO tasking.

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                There are rumours that the RN plans to sell some Type 23 FFGs to Greece.
                                The oldest was Comissioned in 1991, the newest in 2002. Cost £130m each when new. There recent refits saw updated Sonar, 3d Radar, etc
                                They were planning to start decommissioning in 2023.
                                Would there be any advantage to the Irish Naval service getting 2, if offered at a knockdown bargain price?
                                Crew of 185 (accom for 205) would to me be the main hurdle.
                                Given that they are at best going to be the GP ones without the same level of upgrades they are also likely to be the older ones (though to be honest I don't know how the UK could get away with shrinking their hull numbers anymore), so sustaining them would be a pain. Not too mention we'd have to take every other hull out of commission to build up sustainable crew numbers. TBH even if they offered us them for a euro each I'd still turn them own.

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