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  • #16
    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Something not right about the Sergey Balk info. She left her home port 1/07/2020, then was in Gibraltar area , and is currently 25/07/2020 in the North Sea. She sailed from Crimea area, down the Mediterranean and up to the North Sea, that's over 4000nm at a guess,haven't checked it, but her range is more than 300 miles.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
      Something not right about the Sergey Balk info. She left her home port 1/07/2020, then was in Gibraltar area , and is currently 25/07/2020 in the North Sea. She sailed from Crimea area, down the Mediterranean and up to the North Sea, that's over 4000nm at a guess,haven't checked it, but her range is more than 300 miles.
      They got zero wrong, it is 3000nm.

      http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_23470.htm

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      • #18
        Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        That's better! It is realistically a bit more. My old navigators note book puts Amsterdam to Port Said ( Suez Canal entrance) at 3368nm berth to berth. Crimea is a bit further. However the class of tug is a big beast. Thanks for research.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          It's unusual for TASS to get things wrong.....
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #20
            I do like the outrage of the head honcho of the KFO. Some of the old Irish Navy hands might remember some of the antics generated by some of the operators from Killybegs and the current spate of illegal drift netting going up around them parts.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
              I do like the outrage of the head honcho of the KFO. Some of the old Irish Navy hands might remember some of the antics generated by some of the operators from Killybegs and the current spate of illegal drift netting going up around them parts.
              Possibly the most corrupt trade in Ireland, employing actual slaves, taking pointless risks and forever the poor mouth, while continuing to strip mine the very thing that give them a livelihood. Any form of enforcement is considered "harassment".
              The Shower in the south east are just as bad and should have been flying the skull and crossbones long ago.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • #23
                Maybe the RN should have a look at their training areas, as its not just the fishing industry that have to look out for their subs!

                It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                It was the year everything changed.

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                • #24
                  If the discussion about monitoring and intercepting foreign military flights in the Irish airspace is taking place, should their not be a similar discussion about submarines?
                  'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                  'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                  Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                  He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                  http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                  • #25
                    The latter document does not include all the RN exercise areas only those in British territorial waters.

                    Have a look at the Admiralty Charts 2723 & 2725. They show that almost all the water off our north and west coast have submarine & firing practice areas.
                    AC2723 even shown one of the area limits crossing into Irish territorial waters let alone our EEZ. Not that we can check what goes on under the surface!

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                    • #26
                      Why is Pearse Doherty not all over this?
                      Surely the news of a British warship ordering a Donegal trawler would be a god-send for him.

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                      • #27
                        Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                        If the discussion about monitoring and intercepting foreign military flights in the Irish airspace is taking place, should their not be a similar discussion about submarines?
                        Well at least on here there has been the discussion but outside of that nothing. Most people only think of the beach when you mention the sea and as for what in under the surface, out of sight out of mind.

                        We did have at one time long long ago a few vessels with underwater search and destruction capability. But today the only vessel equipped to even do underwater detection is tied up and unlikely ever to get back to sea. Not that the kit is serviceable.

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                        • #28
                          What you are saying is, do we need an ASW capability?
                          We need to at least be able to monitor our own seabed, given the international communication cables that pass through it, and make landfall here.
                          As a cost, it is probably cheaper to do than create a squadron of interceptors and provide Air Corps Manned Primary Radar.
                          The Aussies are going to pay AU$35bn for 9 Hunter class, to replace their Anzacs (MEKO 200), all of which got mid life upgrades from 2018 on. Interestingly, when the ANZACs were selected, the NZ government at the time were more interested in the L.E. Eithne design (according to wiki). They went with Frigates instead as the only way to ensure their seas remained Nuclear free.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #29
                            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                            What you are saying is, do we need an ASW capability?
                            We need to at least be able to monitor our own seabed, given the international communication cables that pass through it, and make landfall here.
                            As a cost, it is probably cheaper to do than create a squadron of interceptors and provide Air Corps Manned Primary Radar.
                            The Aussies are going to pay AU$35bn for 9 Hunter class, to replace their Anzacs (MEKO 200), all of which got mid life upgrades from 2018 on. Interestingly, when the ANZACs were selected, the NZ government at the time were more interested in the L.E. Eithne design (according to wiki). They went with Frigates instead as the only way to ensure their seas remained Nuclear free.

                            To be fair you are selecting the highest end warship in the Hunter for the role, there is and will be lower spec'd hulls that we could get if were interested in building up such capability, or build up the AC for more active MPA capabilities.

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                            • #30
                              The AU$35bn for the Hunter class is the project cost and includes more than just the initial cost to build the ships. Also they are high end multi-purpose equipped with a sensor and weapons fit closer to what would be considered a destroyer rather than a frigate.

                              But smaller and cheaper ASW capable ships are possible, the Sigma 10514 and Incheon classes are around US$250m while the Type31 have a cost ceiling of £250m.
                              Even the Finnish with their Squadron 2020 will produce a ASW capable vessel with the Pohjanmaa-class corvette (4 for €1,300).

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