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  • #16
    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    The French SSBN fleet is located at L'Île Longue which is just across the bay from Brest. It is their holy of holys, there is more change of the entire crew of an Irish OPV sleeping with the French presidents wife than their is of an Irish OPV getting anywhere near one of their nuclear missile boats! In any case they are more interested about what might be underwater trying to catch Le Triomphant or her sisters and that is left to the ASW frigates based in Brest. It may be that when it enters service the EPF might take over some of this but it is nt usually expected from the OPV's.
    But if it can free up the French ships to protect there, they might be interested.

    I can remember reading simewhere about talk in the 1930's about Franco-Irish military cooperation or alliance (presumably with an eye on the developing situation) but the UK scuppering it. Anybody know anything about it, or is it my imagination?
    Last edited by Flamingo; 14 August 2020, 11:42.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    • #17
      The French have recently signed a military co-operation treaty with Cyprus and have already started to piss the Turks off. They seem to have had enough of Turkey claiming to be a good NATO member but yet doing everything it can to show it is not. The earlier confrontation between the French and Turks over enforcement of the arms embargo of Libya is a good example.

      As part of Macron's push for closer co-operation within the EU we can be assured that the French would be open for closer co-operation. The French would like to have a powerful counter weight against Anglo/Saxon domination of EU defence that comes from the current domination within NATO of the USA/UK pairing. Co-operation on the protection of of EU EEZ zones would be something we should be able to get behind.

      On the equipment front it could also be interesting, they have recently started a project to replace their CPV and OPV vessels, 4 new CPVs & 10 new OPVs coming into service starting in 2025. Seeing how of resources are and that by then the Peacocks will be nearly 40 maybe the new French CPV could be something we might want.

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      • #18
        We discussed this in other threads, the French OPV will be better suited to their Med work, with much smaller vessels already in use patrolling the sheltered Naval inlets on the north Atlantic coast. The fact that they teamed up with Italy Spain and Greece in the EPC for this plan reinforces this.
        They will replace vessels currently based in Cherbourg and Brest, including the P400s, the A69s and the newer Flamants. While expected to be similar in length (80m) they will have a much smaller displacement, closer to the P20s.
        That said the French like to pack large crews into tiny ships. They are welcome to it. Might be fine hugging the Normandy coastline in the summer months, but rather unpleasant in the Bay of Biscay in Early November.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          We discussed this in other threads, the French OPV will be better suited to their Med work, with much smaller vessels already in use patrolling the sheltered Naval inlets on the north Atlantic coast. The fact that they teamed up with Italy Spain and Greece in the EPC for this plan reinforces this.
          They will replace vessels currently based in Cherbourg and Brest, including the P400s, the A69s and the newer Flamants. While expected to be similar in length (80m) they will have a much smaller displacement, closer to the P20s.
          That said the French like to pack large crews into tiny ships. They are welcome to it. Might be fine hugging the Normandy coastline in the summer months, but rather unpleasant in the Bay of Biscay in Early November.
          The vessel depicted looks very like their intermediate Frigate proposal for 2025 commissioning, with a crew of around 150 and air detachment when helo on board and or operate a large drone A/C. It looks designed as a weapons platform only, with an assigned role such as ASW, AA etc. It's 4500 tonne and 17.5 metre beam. We need to consider multi-role within all our ships, with all round Defence up to Corvette capability.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            That said the French like to pack large crews into tiny ships. They are welcome to it. Might be fine hugging the Normandy coastline in the summer months, but rather unpleasant in the Bay of Biscay in Early November.
            The reality is actually quite a bit different:
            La Fayette class (3800t) crew of 141
            ANZAC (3810t) crew of 189
            Adelaide class (4100t) crew of 221

            The crew accommodation aboard modern French navy vessels is not something to be laughed at, the standard is some of the best going.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              The vessel depicted looks very like their intermediate Frigate proposal for 2025 commissioning, with a crew of around 150 and air detachment when helo on board and or operate a large drone A/C. It looks designed as a weapons platform only, with an assigned role such as ASW, AA etc. It's 4500 tonne and 17.5 metre beam. We need to consider multi-role within all our ships, with all round Defence up to Corvette capability.
              It is the Italian proposal for the EPC, which is around 1000t smaller.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                The reality is actually quite a bit different:
                La Fayette class (3800t) crew of 141
                ANZAC (3810t) crew of 189
                Adelaide class (4100t) crew of 221

                The crew accommodation aboard modern French navy vessels is not something to be laughed at, the standard is some of the best going.
                Last French Patrol vessel I was on was Epee. You had to walk sideways down passageways, it was 40m long, had a crew of 17, was capable of 26kn and it made it's way as far as Limerick.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  ... Imagine the outrage if it was known that Irish Naval vessels were supporting the French Nuclear first strike capability?
                  *le sigh* The French nuclear deterrent is a second strike capability. That's the whole reason for its existence. Their first strike "stop right there" warning is the ASMP/T.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Last French Patrol vessel I was on was Epee. You had to walk sideways down passageways, it was 40m long, had a crew of 17, was capable of 26kn and it made it's way as far as Limerick.
                    Must have been after Feb '86 when she had been transferred to the Gendarmerie Maritime, she was broken-up in 2011. Thankfully the accommodation is much better on the modern large vessels.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                      *le sigh* The French nuclear deterrent is a second strike capability. That's the whole reason for its existence. Their first strike "stop right there" warning is the ASMP/T.
                      You know that facts have no bearing on the nuclear disarmament debate. Just shout Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl and Fukishima repeatedly (even though none were military accidents). Like a Kraftwerk chorus.
                      The fact is Nuclear Disarmament comes with a small N. These people want total disarmament. The notion that if there was no guns there would be no war. Which as the makers of spears, arrows and pointy rocks know is not accurate.

                      But they shout louder.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                        Must have been after Feb '86 when she had been transferred to the Gendarmerie Maritime, she was broken-up in 2011. Thankfully the accommodation is much better on the modern large vessels.
                        I'm thinking she was on her final voyage. 13/4/2010.
                        Stoker (R.I.P) was there the same day.
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                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • #27
                          The modernisation program for the French Navy in terms of patrol vessels is as follows:

                          La Fayette-class will be replaced from 2023 to 2029 by 5 new FTI frigates of which the first is under construction: Amiral Ronarc'h

                          Floréal-class frigate will be replaced from 2030 by the new EPC corvettes.

                          D'Estienne d'Orves-class and the Flamant-class to be replaced by 10 new OPV vessels from 2025.

                          L'Audacieuse (P400) class will be replaced by 6 new SOCARENAM 80m vessels from 2022 to 2025

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                            While L/C French won't get you far, the mere fact you tried will.
                            I've found that speaking to them loud and slow in pigeon English works.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by sofa View Post
                              I've found that speaking to them loud and slow in pigeon English works.
                              It is a bit old but still stands up well.
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUm-2x-2dM

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                              • #30
                                Why look for ships from another nation?

                                Ireland could ask for 12hour endurance maritime UAVs from EMSA in the morning (for free)

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