Due to the truly excessive amounts of wittering on the Commission thus far, here's a reminder of what it is.
1. What is it : A programme for Government commitment. That's it, nothing more.
2. PfG was written q1 2020 and enabled FF, FG, GP to go into government on a shared basis .
3. is it a White Paper where there's analysis done on threats, defence policy and the defence landscape ? No , because if it was, it'd be called a White Paper
4. White papers last for 10-15 years and the last was in 2015, with an update in December 2019 ( see https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...e-update-2019/ )
5. Where are they on progressing stuff in the white paper ? <- off topic but its project based anddddd go look for yourself or we will get well off this topic chuckle.
6. How's it get set up ? Most likely Minister brings draft heads of terms of reference and commission membership to Cabinet for signoff and we'll go from there
7. When's it supposed to happen : supposed to be up and running before end of 2020, and read out before 12 months are up. See https://www.offalyindependent.ie/202...es-commission/
8. What else do we know ? I'll post the text of the Pfg Commitment at the end.
9. Anything else ? Yes. Don't get your hopes up. Typically reviews and commissions are to kick to touch for a while. White paper progress ( see above White paper update link ) will tell you all you need to know about how quickly stuff will happen.
This is not the speculative thread to discuss what might happen, this is for what we ACTUALLY know will be in it, please dont knock it off course by idle "if only we went back to Coastal Artillery" type stuff.
In short if you don't have an update to facts here please post in another thread !
1. What is it : A programme for Government commitment. That's it, nothing more.
2. PfG was written q1 2020 and enabled FF, FG, GP to go into government on a shared basis .
3. is it a White Paper where there's analysis done on threats, defence policy and the defence landscape ? No , because if it was, it'd be called a White Paper
4. White papers last for 10-15 years and the last was in 2015, with an update in December 2019 ( see https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...e-update-2019/ )
5. Where are they on progressing stuff in the white paper ? <- off topic but its project based anddddd go look for yourself or we will get well off this topic chuckle.
6. How's it get set up ? Most likely Minister brings draft heads of terms of reference and commission membership to Cabinet for signoff and we'll go from there
7. When's it supposed to happen : supposed to be up and running before end of 2020, and read out before 12 months are up. See https://www.offalyindependent.ie/202...es-commission/
8. What else do we know ? I'll post the text of the Pfg Commitment at the end.
9. Anything else ? Yes. Don't get your hopes up. Typically reviews and commissions are to kick to touch for a while. White paper progress ( see above White paper update link ) will tell you all you need to know about how quickly stuff will happen.
This is not the speculative thread to discuss what might happen, this is for what we ACTUALLY know will be in it, please dont knock it off course by idle "if only we went back to Coastal Artillery" type stuff.
In order to meet the medium and longer term defence requirements of the State an independent
Commission will be established. This Commission will undertake a comprehensive review which will
include the following matters:
• Arrangements for the effective defence of the country at land and sea.
• Structures for governance, joint command and control structures.
• The brigade structure.
• Pay and allowances and composition of the Defence Forces.
• Recruitment. retention and career progression.
• The contribution of the Reserve Defence Forces, including its legislation and Defence Forces
regulations governing it and whether specialists from the RDF should be able to serve
overseas.
The Commission will contain a wide variety of expertise such as management, human resources,
academia, law, public service, as well as members with external military expertise from countries
similar in size to Ireland and also from states that like Ireland are non-aligned militarily.
We will consult widely on the terms of reference for the Commission which will be established by end
of 2020 with a mandate to report within twelve months.
The outcome of this review will remain grounded in a policy of active military neutrality and
participative multilateralism through the United Nations and European Union.
Upon completion of the Commissions work, a permanent pay review body will be established,
reflecting the unique nature of military service in the context of the public service. All
recommendations by the Commission or the successor body and their implementation must be
consistent with national public sector wage policy
Commission will be established. This Commission will undertake a comprehensive review which will
include the following matters:
• Arrangements for the effective defence of the country at land and sea.
• Structures for governance, joint command and control structures.
• The brigade structure.
• Pay and allowances and composition of the Defence Forces.
• Recruitment. retention and career progression.
• The contribution of the Reserve Defence Forces, including its legislation and Defence Forces
regulations governing it and whether specialists from the RDF should be able to serve
overseas.
The Commission will contain a wide variety of expertise such as management, human resources,
academia, law, public service, as well as members with external military expertise from countries
similar in size to Ireland and also from states that like Ireland are non-aligned militarily.
We will consult widely on the terms of reference for the Commission which will be established by end
of 2020 with a mandate to report within twelve months.
The outcome of this review will remain grounded in a policy of active military neutrality and
participative multilateralism through the United Nations and European Union.
Upon completion of the Commissions work, a permanent pay review body will be established,
reflecting the unique nature of military service in the context of the public service. All
recommendations by the Commission or the successor body and their implementation must be
consistent with national public sector wage policy
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