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    Military Working Dogs

    Maybe it's the animal lover in me, mixed with the obvious military interest, but I've been wondering why don't we have a Military Dog unit in the country?

    The UK has the 1st Military Working Dog Regiment, the US have used dogs in SF units, and on mission, the Belgian Malinois breed being used in the Bin Laden raid (https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/ne...laden-mission/).

    The 1st Military Working Dog Regiment has a mix of regular and reserve, and a variety of breeds for different taskings like detection, tracking, sentry and attack.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post
    Maybe it's the animal lover in me, mixed with the obvious military interest, but I've been wondering why don't we have a Military Dog unit in the country?

    The UK has the 1st Military Working Dog Regiment, the US have used dogs in SF units, and on mission, the Belgian Malinois breed being used in the Bin Laden raid (https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/ne...laden-mission/).

    The 1st Military Working Dog Regiment has a mix of regular and reserve, and a variety of breeds for different taskings like detection, tracking, sentry and attack.

    Just a thought.
    Great asset for actual war fighting militaries. Most definitely a nice to have versus a need to have to the DF.

    Sounds like an ideal pet project for some senior officer though. Standby for the "working group" call on Ikon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Great asset for actual war fighting militaries. Most definitely a nice to have versus a need to have to the DF.

    Sounds like an ideal pet project for some senior officer though. Standby for the "working group" call on Ikon.
    Step 1. Randomer suggests a "nice to have" idea on IMO
    Step 2. Senior officer anonymously browses and spots idea
    Step 3. ???
    Step 4. IKON Working Group

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    MP work regularly enough with Garda and Customs dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    MP work regularly enough with Garda and Customs dogs
    I suppose you could construe, assisting the Gardai and customs with the execution of a warrant to search a specific location within a barracks, as "work" alright.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36439532.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    MP work regularly enough with Garda and Customs dogs
    But don't have their own. Nor have I seen pics of the Wing working with dogs, given that other SOF units globally do.

    Is this a gap, although a minor one it would seem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    I suppose you could construe, assisting the Gardai and customs with the execution of a warrant to search a specific location within a barracks, as "work" alright.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36439532.html

    Called in by.... the DF

    There are also searches coming back from overseas afaik



    Afaik there was Garda dogs involved in this (not sure if shown)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post

    There are also searches coming back from overseas afaik
    Most definitely the exception rather than the rule.

    Searches - Yes (and prior to departure)
    Dogs - Not so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    MP work regularly enough with Garda and Customs dogs
    Not the same thing at all!
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    A video overview of 1 MWD Sqn, different dog and team profiles.

    One thing that does come to mind though, uniform inspection must be a nightmare with all the fur
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post


    A video overview of 1 MWD Sqn, different dog and team profiles.

    One thing that does come to mind though, uniform inspection must be a nightmare with all the fur
    Avoid fleece type material or wool and you'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Avoid fleece type material or wool and you'll be fine.
    A man with experience !!

    Back on topic, there is obviously roles defence from EOD, Security, S&R, Tracking, etc that could be covered by MWD's.
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    There are lots of things that seem obvious to us, that all other military arms do as a matter of routine, that the Irish DF do not do. Military dogs (either for security or search) is just one. Don't forget we only have 40mm rifle grenade launchers for just over a decade, when most other armies had them since the 1960s (including our friends up north). SRAAW also saw introduction very recently, when again, single use launchers of this type had been in use since the 60s.We have no tanks. We have no SPGs. We have no missile based artillery. No tracked APCs. etc.
    Dogs are great force multipliers. Fear the land shark.
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    So, sometime between 2040 and 2050 we might see a trial MWD unit! Fantastic!!
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    Personally I’d be arguing for more land sharks for Gardai and Customs

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    Gardai have land sharks. Customs have no role for them.
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    I was in Kenya last year when one went missing in the bush.

    Believed the hyenas got it...big search op put in place but it was never found.

    Fair few people were quite badly cut up about it...not least the handler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Gardai have land sharks. Customs have no role for them.

    Not enough

    Customs have drugs, tobacco and cash dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Not enough

    Customs have drugs, tobacco and cash dogs
    They do. I know some of them personally. And?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    They do. I know some of them personally. And?
    Military dogs role is much more than being aggressive & frightening

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Military dogs role is much more than being aggressive & frightening
    Dev, you are both making no sense, and contradicting yourself at the same time.

    Military dog: Specific military tasks such as ied search, flushing out concealed enemy.

    Police dog: 2 main types, Active Sniffer and attack. Latter known worldwide as land shark and fur missile due to the nature of the attack.

    Customs dog: Passive Search only. Customs have no role for land shark or flushing out concealed person. Not their Job..
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Dev, you are both making no sense, and contradicting yourself at the same time.

    Military dog: Specific military tasks such as ied search, flushing out concealed enemy.

    Police dog: 2 main types, Active Sniffer and attack. Latter known worldwide as land shark and fur missile due to the nature of the attack.

    Customs dog: Passive Search only. Customs have no role for land shark or flushing out concealed person. Not their Job..
    By land shark I meant dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    By land shark I meant dog
    Oh dear, no. All land sharks are dogs, but not all dogs are land sharks. Some are minnows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    By land shark I meant dog
    Landshark
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    Not a Landshark
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Military dogs role is much more than being aggressive & frightening
    Someone I know (non-military) was involved in an multi-agency exercise where “Them” were providing ATCP / clearing up after CivPol had done their best and failed. At EndEx, one of “Them” was standing with a impressive looking dog on a lead, and my mate, a dog lover, was admiring the dog from a distance.

    He says to the handler “Can I stroke him?”
    “Only if you want your balls ripped off” was the reply...
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